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[AmPM]

1 daily joint will kill you far more than the 30min of video games a day.

Stop claiming that it's worse than drugs and then comparing only THC, which is also detrimental to your brain, as the only drug you can compare it too. Yea, great, you do pot, nooobody cares. Literally, it stopped being important or interesting when you left middle school.

Claiming that things that are made to be addictive are detrimental is silly, that's like saying that exercise, a TV show, reading, anything that people enjoy, is bad and should be at the same level of social acceptance as drug use.

Instead of retreating into your "why is it ok but weed illegal" argument, try and actually support a point.

[smurfORnot]

1 daily joint will kill you far more than the 30min of video games a day.

did I say 30min or 8+ hours?

Yea, great, you do pot, nooobody cares. Literally, it stopped being important or interesting when you left middle school.

I do join every few months(I havent smoked one around half a year),so yeah,stop making assumptions when you dont know shit about what I do or dont.

Claiming that things that are made to be addictive are detrimental is silly

so games are in no way being made to made them addictive?...yeah,all those people grinding all day long,must be rly rly stupid,lol
Or you claim that grinding is fun?

[AmPM]

did I say 30min or 8+ hours?
I do join every few months(I havent smoked one around half a year),so yeah,stop making assumptions when you dont know shit about what I do or dont.
so games are in no way being made to made them addictive?...yeah,all those people grinding all day long,must be rly rly stupid,lol
Or you claim that grinding is fun?

Why do you assume everyone plays a game for 8+ hours a day?

Some people like grinding, I don't, so I don't play grindy games. Some people enjoy it, problem?

[brn4meplz]

which is also addiction,cuz being in top 100 will give you literally nothing in life,except how you see yourself,like 'uuu,I am in top 100,damn I'm good' when in the end you are wasting you life and time on something completely useless,that only has purpose in your head. Would you rather impress chick,I am in top 100 in WoW OR I am one of the best people in footbal/basketball/swimming...anything else, in my country/world,you will probably spend less time to become top sportman than top WoW player,lol. Not to mention that you will look great,feel good and people will look up to you.

But thats the thing. Instead of going out toa club or a bar and dropping money I was able to stay in and do something I enjoyed after work. It in no way affected my personal life as far as relationships go. Also, I was more productive towards my job and other hobbies and achievements.


Doing drugs, (regardless of the drug) has near 0 positive benefit, and nothing long lasting or learned.(it could be argued that Drugs to a dying person are a positive benefit) but playing Games has been statistically proven to have beneficial effects on the mind and body. Ranging from Recall, Hand-Eye coordination, Reflex, Spatial awareness. Things that do have an impact on your life.

[smurfORnot]

Why do you assume everyone plays a game for 8+ hours a day?

well,not everyone smoke a joint daily.
But there are people who do,same way as there are those who play 8+ hours daily,just do some research how much people play daily to compete.

Doing drugs, (regardless of the drug) has near 0 positive benefit, and nothing long lasting or learned.(it could be argued that Drugs to a dying person are a positive benefit) but playing Games has been statistically proven to have beneficial effects on the mind and body. Ranging from Recall, Hand-Eye coordination, Reflex, Spatial awareness. Things that do have an impact on your life.

I somehow doubt that playing games will give me more benefits than doing sports 
So top gamers should be like experts in hand-eye cordination,have epic reflexes etc...

But thats the thing. Instead of going out toa club or a bar and dropping money I was able to stay in and do something I enjoyed after work.

you know ,you dont have to go out to a club,you can go to nature,take a walk,read etc. This way you also dont waste money,and yet,I can guarantee you,that 30min of walk is definitely more positive than 30min of gaming  and 'reflexes' that you will gain... (specially if you have job like many others,where you sit all day)

FFS people,I am not saying ,dont play games,do drugs  omg...
it was just comparison with ediction thing.

I am not saying that gaming some normal time is bad(but that time could be spent more useful) I can give you that. I am quite sure that people before they didnt had pc's werent bored for the rest of the day after the work 
I am talking about extreme cases when it takes you over.

[AmPM]

On the other hand, you could argue that being outside in nature leads to skin cancer, and that hiking/jogging/running lead to knee and hip damage, which they do.

[smurfORnot]

yea,safest thing is apparently to lock myself in a room 

[brn4meplz]

But the thing is Games don;t interfere with any of my normal healthy routines. I still manage to exercise and be active. Infact I exercise more with Games because I'm usually doing some exercise when waiting for a match to be found in whatever.


So yes, similarities can be drawn from drug and gambling addictions to paint a potential for 'gaming' addiction. Similar logic could exist for everything else.

Apparently reading Catcher in the Rye leads to becoming an Assassin.

[nikomas]

The people who develop issues over video games (Lock themselves in rooms, harm others and whatnot) are people who already have issues in real life. The game is just the trigger.

Anything could be that trigger, games are just a good and noticable one. Escape from reality in wows case for example.

Anyway, psychological issues can in no way be blamed on one thing, ever.

[8thRifleRegiment]

Do some push ups while waiting for noobs to stomp

[smurfORnot]

Do some push ups while waiting for noobs to stomp

better yet,do push up while stomping noobs!

[Demon767]

i dont think jerking off applies as exercising

[Smokaz]

http://www.c4vct.com/kym/humor/csex.htm

[Spartan_Marine88]

i dont think jerking off applies as exercising

just make sure you keep switching arms or you end up with a heavily muscled one and one thats weak and girly

[Sachaztan]

WoW is on a whole different level from pretty much every single game that has ever existed when it comes to addiction.

It is to every other game like heroin is to thc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1157362/World-Of-Warcraft-addictive-crack-cocaine-teenager-suffers-convulsions-24-hour-long-game.html

http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2007/02/12/the-dangers-of-wow-addiction/

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/08/7459.ars

She points out that MMORPGs typically use what is known in psychological circles as variable ratio reinforcement. Variable ratio reinforcement is the idea that the best way to optimize the desired behavior in the subject is to hand out rewards for correct behavior, and then adjust the number of times the subject is required to exhibit that behavior before a reward is handed out. For instance, if a rat must press a bar to receive food, then it will press faster and more often if it doesn't know how many times it needs to press the bar. An equivalent in World of Warcraft would be purple (epic) loot drops: you never know when they are going to happen, but that just increases the anticipation of getting them.

Orzack feels that the games are at fault more than the players. "This isn't about willpower or restraint," she said in an interview. "These games are very elaborately designed to ease you in gently, entice you, and keep you there. And it's a cycle: people begin to spend too much time playing and their careers and personal relationships begin to deteriorate."




And then there's also my personal experiences about this. The number of WoW addicts I know personally outnumbers every other kind of addict I know 10 to 1, and these people I didn't meet in WoW either since I only played it for a month during the open beta.

[Heartmann]

Look, game addiction does exist and you do acctually get phisical reactions to the withdrawal symptoms, and saying it wont kill u as fast is a stupid reason not to be concerned, i mean it still killz ya? Drugs and almost any addictive substance needs to be reviewed and check and we do that with games, there are age restrictions with games, and the only rason imo that there is no harsher regulation around games is because they are still a new phenomena, just lke morphine, heroin, crack u name it when it first came about ppl didnt think it was that bad for you, therebare even old doc journals that state back in 1930s and 40s how heroin was so much better than morphine, AND how it had NO i repeat NO addictive propeties what so ever

[smurfORnot]

it's much harder for some kid to restrain himself than it's for a 'grown up' man...kids basically kave no will power when it comes to these things...what else is more important to most in that age? school and education? yea right...girls? to some,but if he already is spending hours and hours on wow,chanches are,he doesnt have girl,nor he will any time soon,and he simply doesnt care about that :p

[Demon767]

Game designers main objective is to get gamers addicted to there game, so they play longer and buy sequels etc. It is not unethical, just the same as movie directors and writers, book readers, etc want to create an engrossing experience that makes the audience come back again and again.

Its just silly idiot fuckheads that compare gaming to drugs, because, they are fuckheads.

[smurfORnot]

yes,lets compare games to reading a book 
we all know that kids today lock themselves in a room and read 10hours daily...

[Demon767]

etc want to create an engrossing experience that makes the audience come back again and again.