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[Wraith547]

I figured there are probably a wealth of questions about the new stuff in Worldbuilder, so I thought a little Q and A would be a good thing.

I thought we might start transitioning them over to the WB FAQ if we get some quality stuff.

I'll go first:

Could someone explain the new weather system to me? On the Tulip Fields I have added multiple transitions from Midday, to Evening, to Overnight, with distinct lighting for each. However the evening is supposed to fade into an overnight storm front, not just clouds and the dark. I have managed to get lightning in (flashes, the bolts are not visible, something else I would like explained) and the accompanying sound for the rain. All that is missing is the actual water falling from the sky. How do I go about that?

Second, it was suggested that I go back over the Tulip Fields and add in actual fields of flowers. I know I have seen them before, but I can't remember where. I believe it was the grass editor, any thoughts?

[Warbirds2]

Rain lags me.  Please don't put it in.  *hopes*

[acker]

I hate rain. It turns the game into a slide-show. 

[Unkn0wn]

Turn rain off in the graphic menu.
(It doesn't actually remove the rain but throws it on low quality, should do)

It's good to have an alternate weather option on some maps, makes it more interesting tbh .

[Compact Flash]

OF makes me lag loads anyway, but I do love the rain...

[Unkn0wn]

I'm getting extra RAM soon, should solve a lot of my problems.

[Wraith547]

So we add it how?

[Unkn0wn]

No idea, I have yet to start on my new map. Will do that next week.

Second, it was suggested that I go back over the Tulip Fields and add in actual fields of flowers. I know I have seen them before, but I can't remember where. I believe it was the grass editor, any thoughts?

Should open the Relic maps that feature them.
Use corsix and extract the Holland SP maps, then open in WB .

[Wraith547]

Ok I now have weather on my map. I think I am going to write a quick tutorial on how to implement it as it appears its not common knowledge. Might not be a bad thing for the FAQ

[Kolath]

Go right ahead.  If you post it here I can add it to the FAQ thread.

[Wraith547]

Ok I have another one.

How do the different AI markers work in WB? I want to make my map a little more attractive to skirmish on, but at the moment the AI is straight up retarded. Granted it isn't fantastic in vOF maps, but it is noticeably better.

[Wraith547]

Ok a few more for the gurus.

First, how would one go about adding waves to their map?

Second, what is the consensus on weather, worth the system resources?

Edit: Also when placing walls, such as a retaining wall (or in my case sea wall) how do you bring the ground behind it flush with the wall?

(let me know if that last one isn't clear I can probably explain it better)

[AmPM]

You would probably want to use the spline system and have it change the height to match the are behind the wall, it will make a smooth increase or decrease in height.

[Compact Flash]

How do you put trenches in the WB. Not Brit trenches, ones like on Rails and Metal.

[Kolath]

First, how would one go about adding waves to their map?

To add waves, go to the end of the terrain properties menu where is says water reflection.  You make waves by choosing options under the "Normal Map" pull down box.  Choose a wave type you like and then set the wave height with the "bumpiness" value.  The "Water Colour" box is tricky, because it includes windmaps that were tailored for specific missions, therefore, the waves my do strange things.  Play around with the settings to get a wave type you like.

Second, what is the consensus on weather, worth the system resources?

Edit: Also when placing walls, such as a retaining wall (or in my case sea wall) how do you bring the ground behind it flush with the wall?

Weather is questionable.  It wrecks my system.  I can run regular game at 1280x1024 with medium details, but weather turns it into a slideshow.  I may turn up weather if/when I get a new video card, but I think the value is questionable.  However, the time of day and lighting shifts are pretty cool and can add a nice ambiance to the map.

For the wall placement, it can be a little tricky.  Check out this tutorial on the relicwiki: http://wiki.relicrank.com/index.php?title=Drawing_plateaus

How do you put trenches in the WB. Not Brit trenches, ones like on Rails and Metal.

Trenches are tricky and time consuming (I spent a good couple hours putting in the trench system for Ardenne Valley.  Essentially what you want to do is start with a deform spline or make a spline of trench floor texture and apply a deformation to it.  Lower it down to the desired depth of the trench.  I find it helps to place a soldier in the trench for reference while you are adjusting the height.

Next, place a spine of trench walls (there are several options from sandbags to concrete) so that the wall covers up the jagged edge of the ground.  You will want to set the height of this spline manually so it is uniform.  (i.e. do not snap to terrain).

Finally, select the deform spline, hit space to show the CVs and select the CV at each end and raise the height to be flush with the ground so that you have a ramp going down.

If you have any questions, I'll try to clarify better.  I'm at work so I can't give you screenshots.  But I believe there is a tutorial on this either on the gamereplays.org map forums or on the relicnews mapping forum.

[Wraith547]

Ya I actually have a question on setting the height of the trench walls manually. I don't see an option to set what height I want it at.

In this case I was working at a height of 17, with the terrain deform set down to 15. Setting the trench wall to not snap to terrain dropped it down out of sight to 10.

Actually looking at it I don't see a snap to terrain option either

[Kolath]

Manually adjust the height of the deform spline, by selecting it and then holding shift while you drag it up or down.  Same goes for the wall spline.  It will drop out of sight when you set it on adjustable, you just hold shift and drag it back up to where you want it.

Let me know if that is unclear.

[Wraith547]

Holding shift only seems to rotate the spline

sorry for being slow about all of this

[Kolath]

Ah, well your problem is that you tried what I said to do! 

You hold "H" to adjust height, not shift.

My bad!

[Wraith547]

Hmm when I set the spline to adjustable and it is below the terrain, when I try to  raise it up it is raising the terrain above it instead of just the spline itself....

This stuff is driving me nuts

Edit: and now it magically works..... Thanks for the help I am sure I will need more