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[Vermillion_Hawk]

Just tossing out the little observation. I'd hardly make accusations about ego in your position.

By all means, carry on verbally murdering each other over Mass Effect 3's ending.

For the record, it happens a lot more often than you'd think in your writing. A lot.

[TheWindCriesMary]

Just tossing out the little observation. I'd hardly make accusations about ego in your position.

For the record, it happens a lot more often than you'd think in your writing. A lot.

Those in glass houses...

The last time you sought to take the high ground and play grammar police, you were humiliated. I even had to straight up teach you (among other things) the difference between American and British English. I had to drag you through the coals for post after post before you grudgingly had to admit that you were wrong. Why on earth you would attempt it a second time knowing full well that the ruins of your last hypocrisy disaster are still publicly available for all to see... is just... wow.

It takes a particularly clueless person to embark into nitpicking grammar on an internet forum (when they aren't ready to defend the treacherous position) once.

For you to attempt it twice is, quite simply, staggering stupidity on a mind boggling scale.

My advice? Until you've mastered grammar (which no one on these forums has), don't be dumb enough to nitpick. The rest of us know better than to start that kind of nonsense because A) it's a gaming forum, not a grammar forum and B) we're smart enough to know we aren't ready to open that can of worms. Until you are, which most likely will be never, start being a little more intelligent in your choices.

-Wind

[Killer344]

Wtf.... Bioware's fanboys hypocrisy boggles my mind so much.... I give up, not even going to argue.


Omega was a good DLC just like Leviathan, I'll keep throwing my money at them as long they keep making good stuff; find a dick big enough to suck if you don't like what I do with my money.


Would it have been better if they all came with the original game on release? Hell yeah.... but you can't ask a company to sustain a production of that caliber for an indefinite amount of time.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Those in glass houses...

It takes a particularly clueless person to embark into nitpicking grammar on an internet forum.

Really now?

[TheWindCriesMary]

If you're the first guy to start nitpicking grammar unprovoked, and you aren't ready to live in a glass house, then you're gonna have a bad time. It's much wiser to not draw attention to yourself.

You should have learned that lesson the last time you got humiliated.

Basically Vermillion, if the definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over without anticipating the same result, you are the John Wayne Gacy of EiR.

[aeroblade56]

Gawd wind and vermillion's post makes me laugh.

[chefarzt]

Yeah the blind and the one eyed dukin it out...

[Vermillion_Hawk]

If you're the first guy to start nitpicking grammar unprovoked, and you aren't ready to live in a glass house, then you're gonna have a bad time. It's much wiser to not draw attention to yourself.

You should have learned that lesson the last time you got humiliated.

Basically Vermillion, if the definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over without anticipating the same result, you are the John Wayne Gacy of EiR.

It takes one of considerable hubris to not only misconstrue nonexistant victories but to then proceed to legitimize the behaviour one denounces in the same post with a quaint but futile phrase.

Maybe you should stop - it's disrupting the thread.

[Smokaz]

[TheWindCriesMary]

It takes one of considerable hubris to not only misconstrue nonexistant victories

I'm going to assume you meant "nonexistent" and not "nonexistant" because I can appreciate how spelling mistakes can happen to anyone on a forum like this. Would you believe there are people on these forums stupid enough not to understand that? Hell, I sure hope one of those hopeless neanderthals never makes an obvious mistake (by accident) in the very same thread they instigated a grammar argument in.

But I digress... It was demonstrated, through easily accessible and clearly provided documentation, that you have previously instigated "grammar nitpicking" arguments only to have it shown, for all to see, that you are guilty of a great many grammar failures. You were made to admit your mistake and have quite a few more shoved down your throat before the end.

In short, for a guy who was jumping to gleefully point out the grammar of others (despite being shown to be utterly unqualified to do so), you got humiliated. Simple as that really.

Maybe you should stop - it's disrupting the thread.

You still have as much a chance as ever to move on and lick your wounds and LEARN from these experiences for once. But as long as you keep opening yourself up to get mercilessly made fun of by clumsily wading into the ring when you're not intelligent enough to hack it... I'm not going to turn down the opportunity.

[Tymathee]

False. False. False. A thousand times false. This is just plain, outright false.

ME2 took your decisions from throughout the game (and the game before) and factored them into the final outcome you achieved. There were dozens of different possibilities of who would survive mixed in with a minute random variable. You're choices, not just in the final hour of gameplay, but in all the hours up to that point directly impacted which of your crew made it out alive by the end. That was the promise that Bioware had built into its games via marketing and delivery, and they held true to it in ME2.

In ME3, you had one decision at the very end of the game essentially determine your outcome. Suddenly dozens of hours and 3 games of choices and role playing were thrown out the window for 3 terribly lazy possibilities (mitigated by fail/success chances) that not only did no credit to what was promised or came before, but also contradicted the basic internal logic of the ME universe.


So no, please don't insult everyone's intelligence by saying something blatantly absurd like "ME3's ending scenario was basically the same as ME2's". Also don't for a second confuse legitimate criticism about a shoddy, half assed ending that even Bioware themselves admitted to, with "bleh complaints".

your squad mates dying or not imo is not part of the ending. If you really want to include that then deciding who is or isn't in the final battle is part of the ending.

I'm talking about the final battle, after you get through it all. It ends in fighting the human reaper and after you beat it you choose to either destroy the station or keep it and it in no way has a bearing on the next game.

In ME1, it's highly linear, in the end you have a few choices based on your paragon or renegade up to the point and thats only comes to:

Does Saren kill himself, or do you kill him?

Then there's the decision of saving the council, which only has an aesthetic semblance in ME2, they still act like a bunch of dicks and try to hold you back at every turn.

So a lot of ME fans have this illusion of choice and Bioware did a great job showing it but those choices you think you have only guide you toward the final canon outcome.

ME 1 - Saren Dies, council lives or dies.

ME 2 - All crew lives, all squad lives, some live, most live, all die but it's all wrapped up in speed, loyalty and choosing the right people to do things, which I figure out the 1st time through.

Choose to blow up station or keep it.

ME 3 - choose geth to live or die or fight along with quarians, cute genophage and dont get full Salarian help or dont cure it and get their full backing. Then at the end, destroy, control, synathsise which yes, it was presented cheesily but it was more than the "live or die" choice of the first two.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

I'm going to assume you meant "nonexistent" and not "nonexistant" because I can appreciate how spelling mistakes can happen to anyone on a forum like this. Would you believe there are people on these forums stupid enough not to understand that? Hell, I sure hope one of those hopeless neanderthals never makes an obvious mistake (by accident) in the very same thread they instigated a grammar argument in.

But I digress... It was demonstrated, through easily accessible and clearly provided documentation, that you have previously instigated "grammar nitpicking" arguments only to have it shown, for all to see, that you are guilty of a great many grammar failures. You were made to admit your mistake and have quite a few more shoved down your throat before the end.

In short, for a guy who was jumping to gleefully point out the grammar of others (despite being shown to be utterly unqualified to do so), you got humiliated. Simple as that really.

You still have as much a chance as ever to move on and lick your wounds and LEARN from these experiences for once. But as long as you keep opening yourself up to get mercilessly made fun of by clumsily wading into the ring when you're not intelligent enough to hack it... I'm not going to turn down the opportunity.

I'll just close by saying you conveniently have crafted your own history of what transpired, primarily with the beginning (conveniently absent here), where suffice to say the roles which you so readily designate were reversed. Whatever helps you sleep at night though.

[I2ay]

No, the best way to get their attention is to actually tell them!

not in a trolling way, not with walls of text but to write them with clear concise reasons why you're upset and heck, even give advise on how to change it.

A lot of big companies count 1 complaint to i think 100 people depending on the type of business (in washing it's 1 to 1,000) so if you can get 10 people to lodge a formal complaint about their product, they will look at that as 500 people being upset and it works! Trust me, i see the fussing every day on the bioware forums, people are STILL upset, despite it being GOTW worthy if you factor everything sans the ending.

but again....mass effect 4, a mass effect with destructible environments, a better physicians engine for vehicles and possible air combat/flying omg...YES PLEASE. I'd pre-order now if i could.

I dont mind you being upset but the rage you display i feel is counter productive and generally puts people on the defensive. i've heard a lot of both sides, that the ending was great and horrible. it depends on interpretation. I personally didn't care, i was happy i finished the game and won...it was stupid but how many game endings are stupid? I've had MUCH worse.

   You may be the dumbest guy on this forum if we exclude Vermillion. You've had worse? Have you REALLY had worse? Guess who gives a shit? No one. The entire point of NOT giving them your money is so that Bioware realizes THEY are not allowed to give you WORSE. In the end the only real concern of the higher ups in Bioware these days seems to be money. The quality of their products is starting to take a back seat to their profits due to the huge success they've already had. If everyone buys their games and then complains, why should they give a damn if you still plan to buy their next game? If ALL they have to do is promise you they'll do better next time, and thats ALL it takes to get you to keep throwing money at them, they have NO incentive to make quality games. They have gotten to the point of Blizzard where their reputation alone can sell their games. The actual merits of the game don't matter if everyone buys it right away. You can bitch at Bioware all you want, and sure, that kind of helps, but if you REALLY want to see Bioware continue moving forward, you need to SHOW them you're not pleased with them. Torrent this DLC. Play it, enjoy it. But don't give them your money. Enough people have complained at this point that if sales dip, Bioware will know for a FACT that the reason was because people were upset with them. A bit of tough love is needed every now and again to keep a company on the straight and narrow. I really did love Mass Effect by the way, I played the first one over four times. I played the second one three times. However, I played the third one once. I was ACTUALLY upset me for over a week. A universe that I invested SO much time in is done so much justice, and then in 5 minutes some jackass walked up and shit all over it. He defiled it in the worst way possible. I would LOVE to see another Bioware series, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go through all the effort to fall in love with it to see it raped before my eyes at the last second again.

[aeroblade56]

but I'll be damned if I'm going to go through all the effort to fall in love with it to see it raped before my eyes at the last second again.

[Smokaz]

[AmPM]

OR if you enjoyed the game, you can pay for it, and voice your opinion that way.

I had no issue with the ending, it had more choice than the other two (derp derp, gain loyalty, do side quests, done; or not) and the STORY included all of your choices throughout the series. Yes, the ending left you with the fleet stranded, Earth devastated and the Mass Relays damaged/destroyed. Maybe that was the ending they wanted, and nothing you did was going to change that. What you did get to change, was the journey, the important part of the game.

You cannot have a story that may continue into another series and have multiple endings of that magnitude. The relays had to go down, the Earth had to be devastated, the Fleet had to be stranded and the Citadel had to be destroyed. Get over it.

[TheWindCriesMary]

I'll just close by saying you conveniently have crafted your own history of what transpired, primarily with the beginning (conveniently absent here), where suffice to say the roles which you so readily designate were reversed. Whatever helps you sleep at night though.

Nothing convenient about it. I provided a single link to you being forced to admit you were wrong in a thread. As that was the point I was proving, that's what was used to corroborate it. As for how it all began, I remember a great deal more clearly then you I'll wager. I accused you of not knowing the difference between a proper run-on sentence and an improper run-on sentence and you ultimately resorted to nitpicking accidental errors (that both our posts, ultimately, were found to have in supply).

If the last time should have taught you and I anything, it's that it is very, very, very stupid to wade into the spelling/grammar nitpicking pool when it is obvious the mistake is from carelessness rather than fundamental misunderstanding. Why? Because no one on these forums is ready to have their posts under that kind of scrutiny. So what the wise, intelligent people did after that thread is say to themselves "gee, I should just let trivial grammar/spelling mistakes go because you can bet I'd look like a complete fool if I arrogantly corrected someone only to make mistakes in that same thread/elsewhere".

Unfortunately your brain didn't compute that basic logic and now here you are. When the rest of us were evolving, learning, using past mistakes to inform our choices... you were just hibernating in idiocy until the for some reason the bad idea seemed like a good one to you for some reason.

 So again, the advice you need to learn (although when it comes to learning lessons, you seem to be on some kind of weird 3 month feedback amnesia loop): you're not smart enough to back up your occasional (albeit clumsy) attempts to be a smartass.

Find a new hobby, this one doesn't work for you.

[I2ay]

You cannot have a story that may continue into another series and have multiple endings of that magnitude. The relays had to go down, the Earth had to be devastated, the Fleet had to be stranded and the Citadel had to be destroyed. Get over it.

   And why MUST it continue into another series? Before we even go into that question, can you HONESTLY tell me you thought the ending to mass effect 3 was well done? You have every right to like the ending to mass effect 3, your not technically wrong for having that opinion, but you can't tell me you felt like the ending was well done. It was a shit storm and everyone knows it. I could care less if the galaxy erupted into flames and everyone died, IF there was actual REASON behind it. There's no reason for the shit storm ending though, it's just poorly done. The POORLY done ending is the reason for everyone's anger, not the depressing state left upon the galaxy after the game ends. My favorite revised ending was in fact where the entire galaxy is wiped out. The "star child" and assorted nonsense was still there, but it was the only ending that provided a response fitting for the games. (I did also like the implications of Shepard becoming the consciousness of the reapers, but its the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of)

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Firstly it was you who was the first to begin the grammar correcting business in that whole debacle.

Secondly, I admitted to not knowing a single distinction between the american and British dialects of English.

Thirdly, you're incredibly predictable in your obsessive insecurities.

[TheWindCriesMary]

Firstly it was you who was the first to begin the grammar correcting business in that whole debacle.

Firstly, this is ground I JUST covered. For a guy who likes to talk about the education he claims he has (yet seems incapable of demonstrating) you think you'd have read in my last post when I explicity said "In terms of how it all began... I accused you of not knowing the difference between a proper run-on sentence and an improper run-on sentence and you ultimately resorted to nitpicking accidental errors (that both our posts, ultimately, were found to have in supply)."


Good lord man, start firing up your neurons once in a while. I mean Ray just called you the least intelligent person on the forums, but damn even I might have thought that was a bit harsh until your performance here today.

Thirdly, you're incredibly predictable in your obsessive insecurities.

This is not the stone you want to cast. Seriously, why would you ever in a million years think it's a good idea to enter this territory?

I mean, where is that part of your brain that tells you "hey wait a second, I shouldn't say this because it's going to bite me in the ass"? Are you functionally brain-dead or do you just  like being a pinata? I really can't tell sometimes.

I mean, you're the guy who went around talking about his imaginary intelligence quotient and who used to go around raging every time he played a game of EiR (back when you actually did instead of inexplicably hanging around the forums) and lost horribly, talking about how he was going to tell everyone in the world not to play EiR and destroy the mod. Then you'd be back the next day pretending nothing happened, only to repeat the exact same cycle all over again.

Then you wrote this gem:

Tell that to my plethora of real-life friends and comrades.

Yep! That sure sounds like the kind of guy who should go around throwing out the "you're predictable in your insecurities" line.


Another terrible, humiliatingly stupid choice Vermillion, let's see how many you can make in one day?