Epic 3v3 vs EIRRMOD. Intense action, great dynamic defense.

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[nikomas]

Undead, in the battle before that Me, Kiwa and Collosus went triple defensive against Smokas, Myst and EIRRmod
I, Kiwa and Col have little to no experience with defensive coy and We won,hands down with half of our 88's to spare.


This made it seem pretty easy to me in any case. It does not take skill to plop down giant area denial weapons that also act as artillery and then supplement them with double mines, goliaths, officers and super mg bunkers. 

[UndeathWrath]

Niko that has nothing to do with defensive in particular. That's just stacking, and there's a reason people hate it.

You can run around with 6 hvap pershings and troll people. Or ride around with 9 hvap m10s lulcrushing inf and raping armor. Is there much skill to that?

You can have an 8 tiger start in a 4v4 with 4 players using joint operations, with each player having 11 pop leftover for inf or support. Each axis player would start with 41 pop.

You can have a 4v4 with 4 rca players with dozens of howitzers/priests firing every goddamn 30s with regular barrage and creeping barrage. THAT was an aggravating match. Decimated everything..

Do any of those take skill?

If anything, make it so that you cannot have more than 2 players of the same doctrine in a game.

[Hicks58]

You can have an 8 tiger start in a 4v4 with 4 players using joint operations, with each player having 11 pop leftover for inf or support. Each axis player would start with 41 pop.

This is where your incorrect.

The max pop you can pull off is 25+2+2+2+2 = 33 pop max. In a 4 v 4, JO gives +2 pop per player.

If you do Axis Attack, that gets an extra 3 pop going to 36 max. Your looking at 2 Tigers and a Minesweeper normal, or 2 Tigers and 2 Pio's on Axis Attack.

[Smokaz]

I think the arty t3 88 spam is ezmode when allies dont have a pro sniper player these days since nothing else reliably decrews/destroys it.

[rolcsika0128]

I still think it's a good way to show off axis defensive doctrine. If you think axis defensive is so easy......why do many fail hard with it, not to mention get their flaks captured. Please play it against me and I'll pick any allied or maybe rca haha.

Let's see...

Defensive doctrine with flak88s and arty on them takes FAR less effort to use than to counter it. It does not matter if we call it op or not, the sentence above is true. I'm not saying def coy is easy. It's only easy if u are playing at least 3v3, and you have flak arty. I don't know if you have already played against Icelandic's def coy. He is not using flaks, still plays really well with it. Now that actually takes skill. But putting up a flak, artying with it, and running around with some inf+officer is just lame. It just gets even worse if you aren't ready for it, and don't have enough indirect fire support. Not to mention, that even 105s tend to fail pretty hard against them... you are lucky if 1 shell hit the flak. The crew MIGHT die, but the gun still has shittons of hp. Now THAT'S the problem.

[3rdCondor]

gg

[UndeathWrath]

This is where your incorrect.

The max pop you can pull off is 25+2+2+2+2 = 33 pop max. In a 4 v 4, JO gives +2 pop per player.

If you do Axis Attack, that gets an extra 3 pop going to 36 max. Your looking at 2 Tigers and a Minesweeper normal, or 2 Tigers and 2 Pio's on Axis Attack.

Oh the tooltip in launcher is vague, my point remains the same.

I think the arty t3 88 spam is ezmode when allies dont have a pro sniper player these days since nothing else reliably decrews/destroys it.

Um....any of the allied arty? Any of the allied offmaps? Officer smoke? Infantry Rush? Sniper? Atg? (once flak change is reverted) Etc. etc.

Let's see...

Defensive doctrine with flak88s and arty on them takes FAR less effort to use than to counter it. It does not matter if we call it op or not, the sentence above is true. I'm not saying def coy is easy. It's only easy if u are playing at least 3v3, and you have flak arty. I don't know if you have already played against Icelandic's def coy. He is not using flaks, still plays really well with it. Now that actually takes skill. But putting up a flak, artying with it, and running around with some inf+officer is just lame. It just gets even worse if you aren't ready for it, and don't have enough indirect fire support. Not to mention, that even 105s tend to fail pretty hard against them... you are lucky if 1 shell hit the flak. The crew MIGHT die, but the gun still has shittons of hp. Now THAT'S the problem.

Really.....is it alot of effort to deploy 1 or 2 howitzers and arty it? Is it alot of effort to call a single offmap on it out of the million allies have? Stop crying about 88s. They're part of the game. They are the signature unit of defensive. I would trade the 88 for howitzers any day. That's why I play allied inf company.

This is about as lol as people whining for an allied stormtrooper unit. Go play a different game then. Or here's a revolutionary idea, play the doctrine you like and stfu.  

[nikomas]

Warth, allied howitzers are the same pop and unlike 88's they dont blow the crap out of anything that rushes it, not to mention that the 88 can counterbarrage a howie with ease.

[Smokaz]

Allied arty dont even destroy it, bro. At best you have 5 seconds before some handy squad recrews it.

Howie don't negate armor in a 100 circle radius while it's ability is recharging.

[brn4meplz]

Played against Flak spam last night in a 4v4.

We killed 7 Flaks and there was 2 remaining on the field at game end. the Allies lost but we took a terrible toll on the Axis. To be honest it was the 2 Super heavies that held us up from advaning into the Flaks. We had no actually problem taking or killing flaks(Actually there is a 4 player coordinated event in the match where we capture 2 Flaks and decrew 2 more. Resulting in the destruction of 4 Flaks)



Anything in Moderation is fine, Anything in the extreme is hard to handle. CoH will always work that way, especially with some of the mechanics the game has in place.

The comparison of Flak to Howitzer extends only as far as the 8 population. A howitzer will outrange an 88.(and mine move so thats a bonus) Sometimes you get lucky and crit the whole crew. Sometimes you don't and 9 shells don't cut it. It's largely a tossup when you fire blind

[rolcsika0128]

Really.....is it alot of effort to deploy 1 or 2 howitzers and arty it? Is it alot of effort to call a single offmap on it out of the million allies have? Stop crying about 88s. They're part of the game. They are the signature unit of defensive. I would trade the 88 for howitzers any day. That's why I play allied inf company.

How hard is it for you to understand that howies rarely hit the flak, and even if they do, they do not deal significant damage to the gun itself. Bringing allied offmaps as an argument is totally stupid, since not even 105 offmap will kill the gun, only the crew, whereas the def rocket barrage destroys the 105 ANYTIME.. Would you really choose the 105 over the flak with arty, or are you just desperately trying to prove your point? If yes, you are even more stupid than I've ever imagined....

[Smokaz]

The problem is the gratifyingly horrible change to the 88 and at guns which clearly ended up buffing the 88 vs at guns and not making them equally "bad" against each other. If this was reverted it would be less of a issue, but this clearly brought arty 88s over the brink from noticeable to crystal clearly a problem.

[UndeathWrath]

How hard is it for you to understand that howies rarely hit the flak, and even if they do, they do not deal significant damage to the gun itself. Bringing allied offmaps as an argument is totally stupid, since not even 105 offmap will kill the gun, only the crew, whereas the def rocket barrage destroys the 105 ANYTIME.. Would you really choose the 105 over the flak with arty, or are you just desperately trying to prove your point? If yes, you are even more stupid than I've ever imagined....

Lol you're such an idiot it's humorous.

All I hear is QQ wahh I can't troll the map with an 88 there mommy help.

Later. L2P



Brn has it right and I only agree with reverting the 88 change and thats it.

[rolcsika0128]

Lol you're such an idiot it's humorous.

All I hear is QQ wahh I can't troll the map with an 88 there mommy help.

Later. L2P

And here we go! If you can not carry on a debate with rational arguments, start insulting the other guy.. that might work.
But the best part was the L2P. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D    TEACH ME MASTER, PL0X!!!!
Go back to your cave dude.... it will be better for everyone.

[TheVolskinator]

Undead wants moar epeen and afaik wanted 88s and/or officers buffed at some point. Said player also claims that 88s are skillfull.

Nuff said.

[UndeathWrath]

I am completely satisfied with this mod and enjoying it. I'd rather use my time playing. This is not the balance thread.

You guys go ahead and enjoy crying all you like  

I almost never see you guys play so you must enjoy crying on the forums more (rolc and volks). haha

Q_Q

[kwiatekkek]

Proper 88 use:

Plop down. Use artillery if you want. Forget about it until recharged.

this tbh, and  enjoy  your  vet2 flak in  one  game .
88 with  officer and  arty .... Officialy labeled "EZMode"

[Rahx]

Q_Q

Who the fuck summoned this zombiewrathguy...

[I2ay]

Rolc plays all the time, he just plays at different hours than you because he lives in Europe...

[Smokaz]

Sssshh, there are no timezones but the ameriacan ones. Did you learn nothing at school?