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[DarkSoldierX]

I'm confused about why a linear story is bad. If the story is good it can make for a great game. Not everything has to be about choices you make. When you read a book and marvel at the story, I highly doubt you are reading one of those "Choose your own adventure" books.

Because some of us marvel at the tactical plan we created then executed, then see where it failed. We like to feel our own actions sometimes. Not just listen to a story and bash the B button then enter a scripted part were I alert guards no matter what I do, because its not my plan.

Stories can be cool, but a forced plan is not what gave hitman the reputation he has today. It was the ability to go guns blazing or stealthy with different possible routs. And you feel your own mistakes in your game, not something that is forced upon you.

Which is why I say, why do all these series stray away from what make them great, when they can make there own game that doesn't try to live of the reputation of others, so devs dont trick people into buying it thinking "Oh that was my favorite game back in the day perhaps I should try it" then realize "This is far from what I played, its like a totally different game"

And Im not saying linear story games are bad (Metro 2033 is the shit), im saying why change a series to a linear story game abusing the reputation it had before. Imagine if Doom 3 was turned into a WoW type MMO, but you call it Doom 4, and not even treat it as a spinoff from the series. Thats abusing its reputation. Its nothing like the original. And yes its a somewhat extreme example.

[Poppi]

I'm confused about why a linear story is bad. If the story is good it can make for a great game. Not everything has to be about choices you make. When you read a book and marvel at the story, I highly doubt you are reading one of those "Choose your own adventure" books.

maybe i dont see any more well done linear games, or maybe im just sick of developers doing only linear games.
I always bring up Hidden And Dangerous 2 when it comes to innovation and complexity for doing missions as opposed to COD/MOH/BF/GR just following waypoints and doing the mission as the developers see fit. Why must i use my laser guided rockets or drive that tank ONLY when the developers want me to? And its sad b/c im still thinking the best military action game out there is from 2001 as opposed to recently b/c we are given the same trash over and over

[nikomas]

Oh my god... Watch_Dogs... Oh my god... hamenahamenahamenah...
Say what you want about their choice of hosts, their games look fucking brilliant.

[nikomas]

"The last of us"

Oh my god, I have never seen combat look so... human... if that makes any sense

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Too many companies changing series for the worse nowdays. Hitman, diablo, splinter cell, elder scrolls.

Splinter Cell and Diablo I can accept, but face it, we barely know anything about the new Hitman game yet, it's too early to assume it will be completely linear. Additionally, there's a slight phenomenon associated with the Elder Scrolls series, from my experience. When the newest installment comes out, people hate on it for deviating or expanding upon the standard formula from the previous game, and then immediately love that game as a classic when the next one comes out.

[nikomas]

Oh for crying out loud vermillion, any way I can just keep you out of any threads I have interest in? It's to serve the general public as when you try to sound smart like that people HAVE to point out the flaws in your argument.

If you want to bestow upon us your grand wisdom, take it on your own thread, kthx.


And it's not just because it's "New", Your last point makes no sense at all as it wont be the SAME PEOPLE that hail the sequel as the classic. Example, many D2 fans will never hail 3D as a "Classic and superior sequel", just ask around these forums. Not that it kept it from being popular mind you.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Oh for crying out loud vermillion, any way I can just keep you out of any threads I have interest in? It's to serve the general public as when you try to sound smart like that people HAVE to point out the flaws in your argument.

If you want to bestow upon us your grand wisdom, take it on your own thread, kthx.

I apologize, I forgot my opinions hurt people for some reason. Carry on.

By the way, when and if this escalates and you're looking to point the blame around, point at yourself, you didn't really need to come in with the fucking inflammatory comment.

[nikomas]

You don't get it do you? You post in a way that PROVOKES people to respond in a certain manner, and while I might have some manner of control it's not enough to resist such a provocation.

[DarkSoldierX]

Splinter Cell and Diablo I can accept, but face it, we barely know anything about the new Hitman game yet, it's too early to assume it will be completely linear. Additionally, there's a slight phenomenon associated with the Elder Scrolls series, from my experience. When the newest installment comes out, people hate on it for deviating or expanding upon the standard formula from the previous game, and then immediately love that game as a classic when the next one comes out.

Did you not see the 15 minutes of a level they showed for hitman? Did you not read what different game reviewing companies have said about what they reviewed? From evidence we've seen so far, its pretty plausible to think hitman is going to be quite linear compared to its predecessors.

And on elder scrolls, umm, did you not see the MMO? Do you not see the trend of all the cookie cutter clone MMOs that come out? How is the elder scrolls series expanding upon the standard formula of the previous game? They are using a entirely new formula built of the reputation of another. At best they keep lore, thats it.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Yeah fortunately I had completely forgotten about the Elder Scrolls MMO until now, I agree about that series going down the drain. One can still hope for another true Elder Scrolls RPG down the line, though.

Hitman is still not released though, so I'm holding out some hope. A few titles this year that were critically panned turned out (in my opinion) decently.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Halo 4

I just hope they don't ruin it. I'd hate to see the Covenant become to the Halo series what Russians have become to Tom Clancy.

[nikomas]

I just hope they don't ruin it. I'd hate to see the Covenant become to the Halo series what Russians have become to Tom Clancy.

Ruin halo 4? How one could ruin something like halo is beyond me

[Sachaztan]

Ruin halo 4? How one could ruin something like halo is beyond me

Give the rights and make EA the publisher and they will show you have it's done, like a pro. Executive meddling is their motto.

[acker]

Seemed relevant. And poor ME3...

[I2ay]

I need to replay ME1 after reading that, oh the chills...

[Mister Schmidt]

I didn't think Halo 4 was gonna have the Covvies in it?

[DarkSoldierX]

Fighting covenent was kewl but in this new trilogy I hope they only play a small part. I'd so much rather fight this new forerunner dudes + new flood forms.

And one more thing. Why do none of the games have the insurrectionist that we read about in the books? Makes master chief seem like hes always the good guy if you don't know that hes killed lots of humans too. Humans that fight for independence for that matter.

[Mister Schmidt]

I guess because John is supposed to be the pinnacle of humanity, people that only play the games just wanna know how much of a badass he is, they don't really care about the backstory.

[nikomas]

Well if you watched the video, while the covies are certainly not the main focus they are there. Main story focus seem to be 3 threads.

Forerunner Homeworld with active defenses?
Time travelling UNSC battleship, unsure if from past or future.
Cortana losing it.

I have to say, way more story just in that than they've had in the past given they actually do something with it.