NightRain
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« on: July 10, 2012, 01:31:31 am » |
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Why is there no advantage of having None skirted armored units?
This question arouse for a moment after looking at the ammount of armor to the field. None of them were non-skirted. This is mainly because the Skirts actually gives an advantage over a vehicle with no skirts, therefore I'm tossing in a suggestion.
How about all none skirted vehicles (Varying from: Panther, StuG, StuH and P4) would be FASTER than vehicles with Skirts?
This is similar comparison as it is with 75mm Sherman compared to 76mm Sherman. You buy Upgun you lose little splash but gain higher penetration. You drop 76mm You have better splash but less penetration with the cost of fuel.
You can see that it is option you can choose by investing fuel. With Axis Skirted vehicles you only benefit if you buy it but have no benefits of not buying it other than saving some fuel.
So.
Panther
StuG
StuH
P4
Without skirts would be faster than with skirts. P4 would cruise around the same Speed of a Sherman for example.
Thoughts?
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Because a forum post should be like a woman's skirt. Long enough to cover the subject material, but short enough to keep things interesting.
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| hans
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 01:43:37 am » |
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very nice suggestion! +1
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 Also, bad analogy ground, My vegetables never pissed on my ego when I decided they defeated me and gave up on dessert.
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| PonySlaystation
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 01:54:20 am » |
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The disadvantage is that you pay more fuel.
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Demon767
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 02:28:08 am » |
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+1 suggestion
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skaffa
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 03:22:33 am » |
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Hey guys. Im not gonna buy BARS on my rifleman, can I have an advantage pls?
Only works if you adjust price, why bother.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 05:01:52 am » |
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P4s... already cruise at the same speed as shermans, speedy..
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| hans
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 06:12:56 am » |
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sherman is slow as shit
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| NightRain
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2012, 06:55:00 am » |
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P4s... already cruise at the same speed as shermans, speedy..
Nope. Sherman 5.2 Panzer IV 5 Though the initial suggestion is to buff speed when no skirts, it doesn't mean it has to be movement speed alltogether. It can also be classed as: Improved Accelration and so on. |
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Ahnungsloser
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2012, 07:02:33 am » |
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But otherwise you can say you have no disadvantage when you buy the sideskirts - So what's the point?  |
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| hans
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 07:03:37 am » |
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But otherwise you can say you have no disadvantage when you buy the sideskirts - So what's the point? fuel??? |
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Ahnungsloser
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2012, 07:06:06 am » |
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fuel???
It's not a real disadvantage, the 76mm Upgun costs fuel too. |
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| NightRain
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2012, 07:09:52 am » |
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It's not a real disadvantage, the 76mm Upgun costs fuel too.
The thing is. With 76mm Upgun you do more penetration less splash With 75mm You do more splash less penetration. Advantage on both of them. Why not have something in armored skirts as currently it is no point fielding none skirted armor? It costs awful lot too. (40 on P4 etc) |
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Ahnungsloser
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2012, 07:27:38 am » |
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With sideskirts you get ...
-0.5 received penetration for stickies
-0.1 received damage from none-upgunned Shermans
up to* -0.25 received penetration from RRs and up to* -0.25 reveiced damage from RRs
up to* -0.1 received penetration from a Bazooka and up to* -0.40 received damage from a Bazooka
Without sideskirts you save the fuel and get none of the buffs.
*Dependent if it's a StuG, Panther or PIV.
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Hicks58
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2012, 07:40:34 am » |
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You'll find that the only difference between a 75mm Sherman and a 76mm Sherman is the following.
Area of Effect:
75mm Sherman:
Long - 3.0
Medium - 1.0
Short - 0.25
76mm Sherman:
Long - 1.5
Medium - 1.0
Short - 0.25
Yeah. Your missing out on a bit of long range splash where very little damage is done anyway. The core AoE all up to medium range, where the damage is dealt, is exactly the same.
Basically, your missing out on fuck all if you upgun. Kinda like how you miss out on fuck all if you buy skirts.
Oh, and faster Panthers? Rofl.
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I mean I know Obama was the first one in EiR to get a card. and tbfh the Race card is pretty OP. but Romney has the K.K.K., those guys seem to camo anywhere. So OP units from both sides.
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Ahnungsloser
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2012, 07:54:27 am » |
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The larger splash range is only important if you deal with low health infantry but that's all.
And why should be the panther be faster or get a acceleration/decceleration buff?
The sideskirts are only a small part of the total mass of the tank. If you dismount them you will not gain any signifitcant mass loss and the moment of inertia will not be significantly lower. Only if you tune the engine of the vehicle it will be faster or easier to accelerate/decelerate.
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2012, 08:34:16 am » |
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So you want us to add a disadvantage to sideskirts? Because I hope you do realise that's how the upgun works.
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Hicks58
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2012, 08:37:06 am » |
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Recommend reading my post on the previous page Unknown.
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| PonySlaystation
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2012, 08:41:52 am » |
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The disadvantage for getting upgun sherman is so small, it's not even noticeable.
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3rdCondor
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2012, 08:48:56 am » |
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I'm trying to understand this thread. Why is there an advantage to having extra armor on your tank? Why isn't there an advantage to have less armor on your tank? I think that answers the question tbh.
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No tits, but i will bake a cake then eat it in honour of Sir Condor The 3rd
fuck the pgren rifle, fucking dogshit weapon
My beautiful black pussy won
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| PonySlaystation
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2012, 08:52:17 am » |
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I'm trying to understand this thread. Why is there an advantage to having extra armor on your tank? Why isn't there an advantage to have less armor on your tank? I think that answers the question tbh.
Exactly, if anything, skirts should be more expensive and the tank cheaper, so that you can buy a worse equipped tank for a cheaper coin. |
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