M-18 Balance

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[Tymathee]

Yeah, don't see too many m10s anymore, so clearly the new m18 is better and the m10 is outclassed even with 100 more fual.

I feel like the m18 should still be faster but should have poor acceleration and deceleration much like the Marder for PE.

While the M10 is slower but can get going quicker, making it more of a skirmisher and taking that role away from the M-18

Thoughts?

AmPm?

[Ahnungsloser]

I don't see any problem. Maybe the +0.3Penetration in the target table was to high, but overall it just changed the fact that the axis can't roll around with unsupported armour.

It has paper armour (lol even the Upgun Puma has a 160% chance to penetrate it - And it's one of the lower caliber guns) and when a US player
is dumb enough to charge into your frontline you anhilate 320FU.

Nobody uses the M10 because the M10 is less reliable compored to the higher cost of a M18. Why should you buy a tank which costs ~ -33%FU and ~ -25% MP when it bounces to often on thicker armour. I'd rather invest some bucks more into a unit to get a insurance for a reliable tank destroyer.

[8thRifleRegiment]

with vet 2 the m18 is faster then a jeep, significantly faster, the m10 is once against heavily outclassed. The issue is that the price increase we gave the m18 doesnt mean a fucking thing when you get enough fuel for 5 in a company, which is the same amount as you could get before warmap retardo bonuses.

[RikiRude]

yeah i saw like 2 m10s last game and it's the only m10s ive seen since the patch.

[AmPM]

I still don't know why it was changed in the first place.

M10 should have turned into basically a turreted Marder with a slow rotation rate.

Instead, the M18 turned into a Panther light.

[Ahnungsloser]

with vet 2 the m18 is faster then a jeep, significantly faster, the m10 is once against heavily outclassed. The issue is that the price increase we gave the m18 doesnt mean a fucking thing when you get enough fuel for 5 in a company, which is the same amount as you could get before warmap retardo bonuses.

Then fix the source of the cause instead of tweaking the symptom. And I'm sure it would fix other "problems" too.

[Smokaz]

I would say that the M10 could just use a price reduction so that you have one cheap and one expensive tank destroyer. Also if we did like Tyminator wants to, m18 would be gobbled up by anything it ambushed with worse acceleration and speed.

Better yet, give the m18 100 more health and increase the price to something between the current price and 400.

[Smokaz]

with vet 2 the m18 is faster then a jeep, significantly faster, the m10 is once against heavily outclassed. The issue is that the price increase we gave the m18 doesnt mean a fucking thing when you get enough fuel for 5 in a company, which is the same amount as you could get before warmap retardo bonuses.

you can't run 5 in your company normally, also I dont care what doctrine choices yiy are. this is not a good build. both infantry and armor have other vehicles they want other than pure hellcat spam.

[Hicks58]

I would say that the M10 could just use a price reduction so that you have one cheap and one expensive tank destroyer. Also if we did like Tyminator wants to, m18 would be gobbled up by anything it ambushed with worse acceleration and speed.

Better yet, give the m18 100 more health and increase the price to something between the current price and 400.

FYI, M18 has 500 health as it stands.

[hans]

well, i use m10s if i want a good td for a low price. So if i decide for 6 m10s, its because the fill the td role good for its price. Personally i think that 6 or maybe 7 m10s are better then 5 m18s. True that m18 turned into beast with new patch. But u still have the options: lower price good td (m10), higher price, very good td (m18). Maybe the lack of m10s will change with the metagame change?

why do u want to change something with m10 price or whatever. Right now its good. If u lower the price, m10 will be maybe more often taken, but just because it has a better price cost ratio then.

PS: also with the looong cloak delay for hellcat, m10 is performing same role like the m18 now. If i remember when i used last time cloak... long ago. SO before i used hellcat like move see tank cloak shoot backup move see tank cloak shoot back. Now its like the m10 already does.

[nikomas]

yeah i saw like 2 m10s last game and it's the only m10s ive seen since the patch.

*Raises hand* Guilty

[aeroblade56]

This is what i say.

Why would i choose a M10 when panther still bounce it often and in 3 shots the m10 is almost dead.

When i can get m18s which can take more hits, will penetrate very often. sure i can only afford 3.

[RikiRude]

i think if m10s cost slightly less it would be good.

but maybe it is just the meta, i rather use more m10s to take out p4s, but if im dealing with panthers or tigers i gotta take m18s.

[aeroblade56]

i think if m10s cost slightly less it would be good.

but maybe it is just the meta, i rather use more m10s to take out p4s, but if im dealing with panthers or tigers i gotta take m18s.

Yeah but the m18 can still penetrate  P4s and below. I mean i dont see the whole problem.

I see p4s penetrate Pershings.

[3rdCondor]

How about implementing bikes with dual panzershreks?

[I2ay]

Yeah but the m18 can still penetrate  P4s and below. I mean i dont see the whole problem.

I see p4s penetrate Pershings.

I've seen cromwells penetrate jagds, doesn't mean it happens a lot.

[Spartan_Marine88]

I've seen cromwells penetrate jagds, doesn't mean it happens a lot.

I have seen a bike kill a pershing and an pio kill a sherman too.

[nikomas]

I've seen cromwells penetrate jagds, doesn't mean it happens a lot.

I've seen a bike kill a comet, close enough

My favorite is still mp40 volks killing an M10, seen it several times, lol

[aeroblade56]

I've seen cromwells penetrate jagds, doesn't mean it happens a lot.

you have a much higher chance of penetrating a pershing with p4 heatrounds

then you do a Cromwell with 25% penetration.

best one is when computer killed a Panther with grenades.

[Scotzmen]

Nha

MI Flares Killed a Churchill MK6

Beat that.