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[RikiRude]

Honestly make double schreck storms a separate unit that can't buy any other upgrades, make them 6 pop each, bam, balanced. Also if there WAS something in the allied arsenal that cost that much that did the same thing, you KNOW people would be using it and axis would be begging for a nerf.

Imagine your skirted P4 being instantly gibbed by something you couldnt even see.

at 10 pop, it doesn't matter how expensive they are when they can wipe out any light or medium allied armor unit in on fell swoop. what 600mu to wipe off a m18, m10, m8, t17, cromwell, cct, stuart, ect in an instant sounds worth it to me. unless you gave AB RRs that did the same damage as zooks absolutely nothing compares to the power of DSS.

Sure to any player that is less than average or below average, DSS are not the best option, but for someone that can cloak, move storms up with a P4 or panther or ostwind, wreck a piece of allied armor, KIM sprint out of there, rinse and repeat, it's an incredible investment.

[RikiRude]

Myst and others clearly didn't read the OP carefully regarding the AVRE. I suggest you test the unit out before you theory craft any more. You have to keep in mind that I actually play test the changes; thus, I don't make changes just because I think its a good idea. I make the changes because there were issues that came up during play testing. Its fine for you to question the changes, as often balance is subjective, but I encourage you to test the changes yourself first.

Why don't you guys take video of this stuff then? Stop the theory crafting before it even starts.

[puddin]

Honestly make double schreck storms a separate unit that can't buy any other upgrades, make them 6 pop each, bam, balanced. Also if there WAS something in the allied arsenal that cost that much that did the same thing, you KNOW people would be using it and axis would be begging for a nerf.

Imagine your skirted P4 being instantly gibbed by something you couldnt even see.

at 10 pop, it doesn't matter how expensive they are when they can wipe out any light or medium allied armor unit in on fell swoop. what 600mu to wipe off a m18, m10, m8, t17, cromwell, cct, stuart, ect in an instant sounds worth it to me. unless you gave AB RRs that did the same damage as zooks absolutely nothing compares to the power of DSS.

Sure to any player that is less than average or below average, DSS are not the best option, but for someone that can cloak, move storms up with a P4 or panther or ostwind, wreck a piece of allied armor, KIM sprint out of there, rinse and repeat, it's an incredible investment.

Thats fine, Mirror the unit, give it away as a reward unit to the allied fan boys who don;t used storms much. 

When allied storms cant fire up to run away and you lose 4-5 rr quads worth of Munitions in 2 squads, your going to wonder where your At is. 

]I encourge an allied unit to be play tested.  Because it won;t fuckign make a damn bit of difference

[pqumsieh]

Stormtroopers are being addressed with the rework of the Blitz doctrine. You can still get double Panzershreks, but at a greater cost. It will be costed through other means.

[PonySlaystation]

Stuhs needs a price increase. Their effectiveness was greatly increased so it makes no sense for them to be in the price range of Light Vehicles. When the Hellcat was improved the cost was also increased. The same needs to happen for the Stuh.

[puddin]

Stormtroopers are being addressed with the rework of the Blitz doctrine. You can still get double Panzershreks, but at a greater cost. It will be costed through other means.

This is the biggest load of BS i have ever heard. 

They have not once been buffed since they got Gren armor so they don;t get insta supressed, and thats the only buff they have ever gotten.  They are not broken, cost a ton, Are un spamable, and die to 2 M-10s or 1 church croc. 

Don;t argue about they get doctrine buffs either, change the doctrine then, not the unit.

[pqumsieh]

@Alpha, we've already done that with Stormtroopers. We are doing one last thing.

@Puddin, we aren't increasing their cost through pricing or pool. As you said, if we change anything we should do it through doctrines.

[Dnicee]

Stormtroopers are being addressed with the rework of the Blitz doctrine. You can still get double Panzershreks, but at a greater cost. It will be costed through other means.

yeah, so how to plan to increase their cost since you just posted, "if we change anything we should do it through doctrines."

[Demon767]

yay 

[pqumsieh]

@dnice, thats our secret :p

[Dnicee]

you wouldnt dare to take away blitz from stormies! That would seriously piss me off!

[aeroblade56]

Wait so let me get this straight you nerfed avre splash due to insta gibbing vet but you wont get rid of the most potent tank vet hunting machine?

[hans]

Wait so let me get this straight you nerfed avre splash due to insta gibbing vet but you wont get rid of the most potent tank vet hunting machine?

yes?

[PonySlaystation]

yeah, so how to plan to increase their cost since you just posted, "if we change anything we should do it through doctrines."

Remove elite armor for stormtroopers and make double schrecks a T2/T3 unlock.

[Dnicee]

not a t3 unlock for mp44s and vanilla storms, that would not be right at all.

[RikiRude]

the thing is all other forms of storms are aok in my book, elite armor storms are a total bitch to deal with, especially with double bundles, single schreck no problem, but as soon as you have those double schrecks it starts to become a problem.

[pqumsieh]

Double shreks will require a T2 unlock now. Elite armor has also been removed from storm troopers.

[NightRain]

Double shreks will require a T2 unlock now. Elite armor has also been removed from storm troopers.

Even from MP44 version?

[terrapinsrock]

Double shreks will require a T2 unlock now. Elite armor has also been removed from storm troopers.

Hopefully there should be an incentive for MP44 Storms (Health buff, etc.)

[smurfORnot]

so what goes pufff from T2? assault nades?  precision strike?