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[Ahnungsloser]

There is a limited time offer on the site I usually buy computer parts from, where the i7 cost about as much as an i5.
What graphics card would you suggest?

First of all:
Based on Pony's post - What is your actual computer configuration? Maybe Pony is right and it's not worth it to invest so much
money into new hardware...



Hm, seems that there is a big pricing/performance problem in the graphic card sector. Without any special offers I would buy a Geforce GTX650 for around 100€ while the cheapest GTX660 costs around 200€. (Which is 100% more costs for just 50% more peformance)
A Readon 7850 could also be a better choice then the GTX650 but keep in mind that this thing is slower then the GTX660 and is in the same price class.

[aeroblade56]

AMD i think have better cards for the price. but i think that you run into alot of driver problems.( thats what i have heard)

The nvidia 570 i heard is a monster.

[AmPM]

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H70 Core  Liquid CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Intel DZ77GA70K ATX  LGA1155 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($96.00 @ B&H)
Storage: Intel 520 Series Cherryville 180GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card  ($270.11 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)

Total: $1357.02

This is what I am getting, but my Intel parts are much cheaper than listed here.

[Sachaztan]

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H70 Core  Liquid CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Intel DZ77GA70K ATX  LGA1155 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($96.00 @ B&H)
Storage: Intel 520 Series Cherryville 180GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card  ($270.11 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)

Total: $1357.02

This is what I am getting, but my Intel parts are much cheaper than listed here.

That's...pretty damn expensive. On the other hand you wont have to upgrade anything for years.

[AmPM]

How much do you plan iin spending and what parts do you already have?

[Sachaztan]

How much do you plan iin spending and what parts do you already have?

Radeon 4870 graphics card, an i3 processor and 4gb RAM.

I can spend no more than about 300 euros now.

So I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard, an i7 or i5 processor and a new chassis. See how the computer performs and then buy other parts next year if needed.

[AmPM]

That's going to to be rough.

Probably all you can get is a new board and CPU.

[Ahnungsloser]

Radeon 4870 graphics card, an i3 processor and 4gb RAM.

I can spend no more than about 300 euros now.

So I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard, an i7 or i5 processor and a new chassis. See how the computer performs and then buy other parts next year if needed.

Have you checked the CPU list of your mainboard?
I have a old mainboard, but with updating the bios version to the official newest one it's possible to attach the newest i5/i7 cpu to it. It's possible
that you get a small peformance decrease because the mainboard doesn't have the newest memory controller or the northbridge with the best
peformance, but you can save some money.

[Sachaztan]

Have you checked the CPU list of your mainboard?
I have a old mainboard, but with updating the bios version to the official newest one it's possible to attach the newest i5/i7 cpu to it. It's possible
that you get a small peformance decrease because the mainboard doesn't have the newest memory controller or the northbridge with the best
peformance, but you can save some money.

Yes, there are i7 processors that uses the LGA 1156 socket which my current motherboard has. I have to research a bit about the difference between that socket and the newer ones before I make up my mind.

[Ahnungsloser]

Yes, there are i7 processors that uses the LGA 1156 socket which my current motherboard has. I have to research a bit about the difference between that socket and the newer ones before I make up my mind.

Haven't thing about the fact that you could possible have the older 1156 socket.

The older ones are produced in a older fabrication line and have a bigger structure type with less level of integration which results in (a bit) higher power consumption and a bit less peformance. But maybe you can buy a used one for cheap bucks from a friend or ebay. There is a certain chance
that a old 1156 cpu is more expensive then a newer 1155 one. In this case I would not recommend to stay on a sinking ship and would start to switch
the plattform.

Maybe you can get lucky and you're able to upgrade your system without throwing too much cash in the bin.

[TheWindCriesMary]

Hey AMPM, what's the advantage of the "Intel 520 Series Cherryville 180GB 2.5" Solid State Disk"

Is that to run your OS off of or just for storage?

-W

[Mysthalin]

It's just faster than regular HDDs. Anything important you need to boot up quick? Chuck it on the SSD.

If you used SSD for storage you'd be spending loaaaaaads of money.

[TheWindCriesMary]

It's just faster than regular HDDs. Anything important you need to boot up quick? Chuck it on the SSD.

If you used SSD for storage you'd be spending loaaaaaads of money.

So is the general rule of thumb to run your computer off your SSD (install operating system on it etc.) and then use the 1tb drive as storage for all files etc.?

[AmPM]

Im going to run it with 60gb for the OS, the rest im going to use as an SSD cache and see how that works.

[aeroblade56]

i was actually looking into a computer myself. but i heard AMD are a pain in the ass. i am trying to purchase a computer from ibuypower or cyberpower or something. but i don't know jack about video cards especially in the amd range.

my budget is about 800$

[Smokaz]

i was actually looking into a computer myself.

maybe you should look at a store or a webpage where you can order stuff instead of actually looking inside a computer

but then again the budget is for a new computer and not brain surgery, 800 wont cover that

[AmPM]

i was actually looking into a computer myself. but i heard AMD are a pain in the ass. i am trying to purchase a computer from ibuypower or cyberpower or something. but i don't know jack about video cards especially in the amd range.

my budget is about 800$

AMD stuff works fine, for video cards the 7870 and 7950 are pretty good without being stupid expensive, same with the 660ti on nVidia's side of things. They run cooler and use less power though.

Big thing is that in pure computing power per core AMD is way behind, but they use other methods to make up for it. In most games the A10-5800k with similar other hardware is 2-3 FPS below an i5, and $100 cheaper.

If you have the money, or can get a deal (like my i7 3770k for $105) then it's worth doing for the extra power. For a budget, AMD is the way to go.

[aeroblade56]

AMD stuff works fine, for video cards the 7870 and 7950 are pretty good without being stupid expensive, same with the 660ti on nVidia's side of things. They run cooler and use less power though.

Big thing is that in pure computing power per core AMD is way behind, but they use other methods to make up for it. In most games the A10-5800k with similar other hardware is 2-3 FPS below an i5, and $100 cheaper.

If you have the money, or can get a deal (like my i7 3770k for $105) then it's worth doing for the extra power. For a budget, AMD is the way to go.

yeah well i wanted to run things on max  or at least not have to replace stuff for a while.

Last card i had was the 260 GTX worked like a champ. but i dont know all this pci stuff 16 pin >.<

Anyone know anything about barebones?? was thinking of getting one might shave off a  few dollars?

[AmPM]

Not all that much cheaper depending on deals.

If you want an i5 and a decent board and video card you will be looking at about $900.

[aeroblade56]

i still got alot of parts on my machine that arent broken.

Currently my motherboard is some asus that runs a ddr3 could i still run a ddr5 card or no?. i can upload my rig if someones wants to inspect it.