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[PonySlaystation]

The upgrade is too expensive at 60 MU. Volksgrenadiers /w MP40s are supposed to be a cheaper alternative to Grenadiers /w LMGs (70 MU). It's supposed to be quantity before quality, but you can't have quantity because it's more expensive than quality. At the moment there is no point to get the almost as expensive MP40s when you can get long range LMGs. MP40s is an upgrade rarely used, because it's too expensive.

I'm not sure why it was changed from 50 MU, but 50 MU is a good price compared to it's effectiveness. Being cheap enough to afford but not so cheap that the upgrade becomes affluent rather than an investment.

As Americans I like to have a couple of BAR Riflemen that I call in early and then a couple of Grenade Riflemen for lategame. I would like to do the same thing as Wehrmacht by having a couple LMG Grenadiers and then a few MP40 Volksgrenadiers, but it's impossible right now because the upgrade is not worthwhile to get.

[Ahnungsloser]

I'm not a WM specialist but did you kept in mind that a Panzergrenadier equipped with a LMG42 is a sort of defensive wapeon because it can't be fired
when you're moving while the MP40 is a sort of a offensive wapeon with that you try to charge into cover to shred some vanilla rifles.
Better players may time everything perfect so that it's possivle to play aggressive with a LMG42, but I'm sure it's not the main intention of it.


Is it right that you want to say that the Volksgrenadier+MP40 is not worth it because for a few extra ressources you can get a Panzergrenadier+LMG42?
What would you say when we would increase the price of the LMG42 (80Mun like BAR) because it can wreck havok to make the ressource-difference big enough so that have a real choice and you need to make a decision because you can't have it all. I don't to see every Volks equipped with a MP40 on the battlefield.


It don't want to disagree with you nor I want to agree with you. These are just some unfinished throw-ins to represent a different opinion on this
subject to start a conservation.

[NightRain]

Both MP40 and LMG are more or less defencive weapons. MP40 because of very crap cause its accuracy on the move is only 20%.

[rolcsika0128]

I think volksgrenadiers are a cheaper alternative to kch rather than to grenadiers with lmg. So therefore I think its correctly priced.

[Tymathee]

i think they're priced fine, i rarely see them used so they're not OP but they're effective when used correctly and i think if they're too low you'll have them spammed

[Smokaz]

i think they are fine as well

[RikiRude]

i think the only reason people dont use them is the simple fact that they use volks as recrew, not as assaulting troops. either way mp40s are pretty good when used right, it's just no one is really using them. you cant make them cheaper, because then you have to make grease guns cheaper since they are actually worse than mp40s.

[nikomas]

And trust me, you do NOT want to make grease guns cheaper

[Hicks58]

MP40's do a pretty good job of tearing things up if you get them close range, for their price.

It's just getting them close range. They won't deal any significant DPS on the approach so they rely on distractions, suppression or transport. That, or the absentmindedness/stupidity of your opponent.

[PonySlaystation]

because then you have to make grease guns cheaper since they are actually worse than mp40s.

Worse how? The DPS is pretty much the same, the main difference is that grease guns are available on a better platform as well as having access to a SMG-specific T3 that gives them +50% accuracy on the move. It's simply much easier to make up for it's cost at 65 MU with that upgrade. Wehrmacht don't have anything like that.

MP40's do a pretty good job of tearing things up if you get them close range, for their price.

It's just getting them close range. They won't deal any significant DPS on the approach so they rely on distractions, suppression or transport. That, or the absentmindedness/stupidity of your opponent.

This is true. MP40s can make up for it's cost, it's just unlikely since they are similar in cost to LMGs and BARs and not as powerful.

At 50 MU there is still a large risk/reward factor since they cost considerably more than grenades while at the same time not being a very significant upgrade in terms of performance. It's not a weapon upgrade that you can dominate the battlefield with, but they can be useful when you have a couple of them. That's why they are supposed to be cheaper than other weapons, because they are less significant but common weapons. At least they are common in vCOH. I don't see why it should be so much more expensive when it's the same thing.

[NightRain]

Worse how? The DPS is pretty much the same, the main difference is that grease guns are available on a better platform as well as having access to a SMG-specific T3 that gives them +50% accuracy on the move. It's simply much easier to make up for it's cost at 65 MU with that upgrade. Wehrmacht don't have anything like that.

+50% on 0.2 isn't exactly a ENORMOUS UPGRADE you know that?

[nikomas]

Actually the GG moving accuracy is 0.15 if I remember right so they're actually a little worse than MP40's... So +50% would be 0.22, WOOHOOO, They are now MP40's... useless fucking T3 in that regard, If one has a brain he goes Oversupplied and allied grit.

[Tymathee]

i think the only reason people dont use them is the simple fact that they use volks as recrew, not as assaulting troops. either way mp40s are pretty good when used right, it's just no one is really using them. you cant make them cheaper, because then you have to make grease guns cheaper since they are actually worse than mp40s.

agreed, tahts why i dont like mp40's, each man you lose, you lose dps, and if i paid 60 mu so all my volks get mp40's its like wasting mu.