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[UndeathWrath]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ozSeGw-fY

[hans]

the pe statistik is the worst of all. All players have a negative score. Either all PE player suck or the PE is underwhelming in the comparison.

just wondering ...

[UndeathWrath]

the pe statistik is the worst of all. All players have a negative score. Either all PE player suck or the PE is underwhelming in the comparison.

just wondering ...

Even skaffa the other day said PE is shit.

[hans]

pgrens need the vcoh stats back anyway.

[Poppi]

kill it with fire!

[ick312]

well gentlemen,

after 9 months time the only recognizeable balance change to PE is the sniper. Well BT seems to think PE is fine as it is.

NO sniper would be needed if the rest would have a chance vs allied stuff.


PS: i forgot the change to latht, nerfed into ludacris. Before it was a cheap "spellcaster" it was not OP nor UP.
It was just perfect. However now its useless

[XIIcorps]

The latht shit ? Are you mad.
It's now a dedicated lv destroyer, it does far more damage then it ever has, it pens almost without fail.

The only downside being tread breaker dosent last 2 mins anymore and I believe has less range

[ick312]

The latht shit ? Are you mad.
It's now a dedicated lv destroyer, it does far more damage then it ever has, it pens almost without fail.

The only downside being tread breaker dosent last 2 mins anymore and I believe has less range

play PE

to be more polite i give u an explanation.
5 pop! 5 pop dedicated to kill LVs. Does 2 shoot them like atgs do it to the latht? Does it have a range that gives an edge? Does it faster turn then beeing circled?
So u got an expensive unit which standing on its own is not competetive to stag, stuart, tet.

u say its a dedicated lv killer? Try it! Try what happens if u have a dedicated lv killer, not being able to do sth to other units on the field. LVs are not standing there waiting till u turned arround, they quick strike and are away or crushing ur lines.

3 pop to sometimes nail a target or pushing back a single inf unit ( which forgot they at) was just perfect. u couldnt do it all the time and it did its job. 3 pop was so few that u could lay it aside.

[Unkn0wn]

PE are by far the hardest faction to play right in EIR's AT heavy environment.

[Mysthalin]

My PE company has been doing alright. It's also funny that the thing to allegedly break PE is the nerf to the LATHT.

[I2ay]

Pretty pretty please make assault grens not suck. I played OMG a bit last week when EiR was down and I thought it was so much fun playing with units that were able to do their job. Go play ONE game of OMG with assault grens, then come back and play an EiR game with assault grens. They're this glorious majestic unit that kill shit up close in OMG, and they're these pieces of shit that barely kill rifles in EiR. It's just pathetic, even with the price nerf theres no reason at all to buy assault grens over normal pgrens, and thats saying something.

[XIIcorps]

LATHT:
- Damage from 25-30 > 45
- Penetration from 1 short, 0.67 mid, 0.34 long > 1 short, 0.9 mid, 0.8 long
- Pop increase from 3 to 5
Treadbreak:
- Decreased range from 50 > 45
- Decreased duration from 120 > 40 seconds

All buffs ick besides the increase to its pop to stop spamm which is also warranted due to its now lv lethality.

Tread break imo was long overdue for a a nerf to bring it inline with the bren button nerf

[Smokaz]

I dont realy understand what people are expecting from assault grens

[NightRain]

I dont realy understand what people are expecting from assault grens

Ability to storm places apperantly and kill every soft target.

[CrazyWR]

I dont realy understand what people are expecting from assault grens

itd be nice if they'd survive to get across a small area with at least 3 guys...

[ick312]

the spam argument from XII is true. all other about the latht like dmg/pen/etc. are bs. Its a reactive unit ( which is still losing in a 1v1)


also the assault grens point is true. In omg they are how they should be.

[CrazyWR]

they are definitely superior in omg

[tank130]

How can you make a comparison to OMG? You are taking one little piece from their mod as a comparison without taking into account the rest of their mod and balance of it. They do not even have Doctrines.......well, Tier one I guess, but you get my point.

OMG is a different play style and environment. Perhaps their assault grens are balanced for their environment. It does not automatically mean it will work for our environment.

Saying "OMG has it, so we should have it" is just kinda retarded TBH.

[UndeathWrath]

Random thought:

Should PE vehicles be given greater resistance to small arms fire seeing as the only reason they take dmg from that in the first place is because in vCoH they're low tier and quickly available? And as we all know, this ain't vCoH

[CrazyWR]

ok first off, tank, I'm aware, just saying they are definitely better there.  However, borderline OP.   I think they could use a small buff here, but that is all.  I'm not in any way arguing OMG is superior or we should instantly adopt their  version of mp44 pgs.

secondly, undead, im 99% sure pe vehicles are immune to small arms fire for the most part...