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[hans]

i have to support ray, tested assault grens as well and wasnt able to make them worth their cost.

[I2ay]

So, what you're saying then is grenadiers with MP44's in wher would be shit? Cause I think I could find a use or two for that.

In that case you go blitz with these magical mp44s and get elite armor and medkits and they just turn in to KCH. Or you go terror and get pervitin pills and fanaticism and they turn into glass cannons. The issue with assault grens is that they aren't survivable and they don't do a whole lot of damage even when they get up close. Please prove me wrong and make a company where you can make assault grens cost effective but I don't know if its possible.

[Groundfire]

No, see i've never understood this argument.

You guys do know that assault grens without their MP44s are just Grens but a 35 whole MP cheaper than the WH gren.

They are exactly the same, same armor, same HP. No statistical difference, only that they are grens with weaker Kar rifles

Now, assault grens have a whole whopping 4 MP44s for 90 munitions, which is x2 more MP44s than the storm troopers get for the same price!

So, not only do they get one of the best assault rifle in the game cheaper per gun, but they have same stats as the one of the best main line axis units in the game.

Grenediers are OK
MP44s are OK

but Assult grenediers which are basically Grenediers with MP44s are UP...


I must be missing something. Someone needs to lay the rgd smack down on me and show me the differences, cause I am not seeing it.

[AmPM]

No, see i've never understood this argument.

You guys do know that assault grens without their MP44s are just Grens but a 35 whole MP cheaper than the WH gren.

They are exactly the same, same armor, same HP. No statistical difference, only that they are grens with weaker Kar rifles

Now, assault grens have a whole whopping 4 MP44s for 90 munitions, which is x2 more MP44s than the storm troopers get for the same price!

So, not only do they get one of the best assault rifle in the game cheaper per gun, but they have same stats as the one of the best main line axis units in the game.

Grenediers are OK
MP44s are OK

but Assult grenediers which are basically Grenediers with MP44s are UP...


I must be missing something. Someone needs to lay the rgd smack down on me and show me the differences, cause I am not seeing it.

They fit in differently into PE than they would in WM. Different costs for support units, different unit synergy, etc.

I also think that MP44 Stormies are rather rare...because they are terrible.

[hans]

okay, i would agree on this summery, except that the stormtrooper itself is also not able to perform the role an assault gren has to.

cloak is a powerful weapon for storms with mp44s, they can get into range before being damaged killed or seen.

assault grens cant, advantage gone

cloak +
Grenediers are OK
MP44s are OK

without
Grenediers are OK
MP44s are UP

[Groundfire]

So, you can only use assault weapons when coupled with some hilariously wonky ability like cloak or ambush?

How bout pairing it up with a suppression platform? PE has one for every doctrine now.

[hans]

So, you can only use assault weapons when coupled with some hilariously wonky ability like cloak or ambush?

How bout pairing it up with a suppression platform? PE has one for every doctrine now.

well its just, we can discuss about it all day . As long as i havent seen anyone being able to use them proper, i wont believe this as well.

Do we have someone who can prove that assault grens are worth it? i cant, ray cant, who can? ground maybe you?

[hans]

So, you can only use assault weapons when coupled with some hilariously wonky ability like cloak or ambush?

its a ability to make them effective, and you know how easy this is also being countered right? its not like hilariously wonky...

[Smokaz]

I think the problem is that they are being compared to terror mp44 grens, which have the buff medikit.

they also can't recover (normally) from a hit which scrapes away all their health but leaves the members alive, while normal grens do this all the time.

[hans]

I think the problem is that they are being compared to terror mp44 grens, which have the buff medikit.

they also can't recover (normally) from a hit which scrapes away all their health but leaves the members alive, while normal grens do this all the time.

yeah thats what you do with your assault grens, you attack what sometimes means to leave the cover and push forward, if they want to come back to cover, they already lost too much or loose health on their way back to cover. rangers or grens in comparison can sit in cover, and fire or draw back.

The distance needs to be bridged. this isnt easy with such a fragile unit

[tank130]

...................KCH get up close and shit dies, assault grens get up and you just sigh as they almost lose to even vanilla rifles. ..........

You are doing it wrong!!!

............... Stop thinking the Assault Gren is a re-skinned Oak Leaf KCH, ....................................... .... You'll find games become a lot easier once you stop trying units do what they're not meant to do.

[AmPM]

So, you can only use assault weapons when coupled with some hilariously wonky ability like cloak or ambush?

How bout pairing it up with a suppression platform? PE has one for every doctrine now.

Because rangers and AB Thompsons would be so effective without Fireup amiright?

[hans]

so, i then use the assault grens wrong.

"You'll find games become a lot easier once you stop trying units do what they're not meant to do."

what shell i do to make them work?

i mean i dont get it. kch has mp44s and can close the distance effectively, storms have mp44s and can close the distance effectively as well (cloak).

assault grens cant. so. I dont get it. Maybe pro tank or mysthalin can show me the trick?

[I2ay]

You are doing it wrong!!!

I'm not saying I'm losing fights to vanilla rifles, but I might as well be. The shattered remnants of an assault gren squad won't kill anything else that game. Each man that dies prevents the group from being able to do anything productive. Each sliver of health lost is a bitch and a half to get back. Either you go SE and get a heal car or you get fall medkits. It's not like allies where you're almost guaranteed to have healing every game. Even with healing they'res not a whole lot of units aside from vanilla squads that you have any chance of killing. Even rangers with zooks laugh at assault grens attempts to kill them.

[AmPM]

so, i then use the assault grens wrong.

"You'll find games become a lot easier once you stop trying units do what they're not meant to do."

what shell i do to make them work?

i mean i dont get it. kch has mp44s and can close the distance effectively, storms have mp44s and can close the distance effectively as well (cloak).

assault grens cant. so. I dont get it. Maybe pro tank or mysthalin can show me the trick?

This is why I suggested lowering the casualty rate for PE IHT's. You have a delivery method, and troops will live through it. It's more expensive but it's useful. It was better back when units could repair normally though, because you could touch them up between fights with your Panzergrens.

[Groundfire]

Because rangers and AB Thompsons would be so effective without Fireup amiright?

Fire up is pretty much only used to get out of fights, not get into them with an advantage. We saw to that when we put in the FU cooldown giving you a debuff.

[hans]

Fire up is pretty much only used to get out of fights, not get into them with an advantage. We saw to that when we put in the FU cooldown giving you a debuff.

wait, ampm is right. The issue also lies in the draw back. while rangers can get in the fight, they also can get fast out if theres a danger (saving health and power). Do this with assault grens, they cant. Fireup is a golden bowl in this case.

[AmPM]

wait, ampm is right. The issue also lies in the draw back. while rangers can get in the fight, they also can get fast out if theres a danger (saving health and power). Do this with assault grens, they cant. Fireup is a golden bowl in this case.

Not to mention Rangers are backed up by the best healing in the game, elite armor, and 6 men so you have to kill 2 before they lose firepower.

Airborne are similar, but with less access to healing.

[Mysthalin]

Wait, you have sprint which does not give exhaustion, and you're complaining that you do not have a way of getting in and out? Seriously?

On top of that.. if you really feel the assault grens are so fragile then just put them on an IHT. The IHT was MADE for assault grens to board it and go around flanking atgs and killing them almost instantly, as well as raping various other infantry. Oh, some grens may die if you lose the IHT? Learn to flank better, and to quickly unload if shit hits the fan. It's really not that difficult if you're doing it right.

I've used assault grens, specifically on IHTs many times. So has Mukip. So has David. So has any good PE player who didn't just go teller spam ever. Try it. It works.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Try it. It works.

This is eirr.

They will use your tactic, fail due to it not being what they are used to. And then demand balance due to their claim that just because they failed and used things improperly then it muse be bad, so should be balanced until it fit their play style.

One must also remember that the IHT has a perfectly good HMG on the front that doesn't need to set up or break down. It also can kill a rifle or two itself and begone before any at comes its way especially with its speed in cover getting buffed.