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[GrayWolf]

They always deal damage.....

When they hit.....

and penetrate......

Well they are like "NERF GUNS". They still deal some dmg, even when they do not penetrate. Watch the maus video carefully. Tbfh EiR is pretty balanced imo. I'll just post my ideas (like reward poll system) for EiR later and devs will see what they can do about them.

[XIIcorps]

They bounce for like 10dmg.

Honestly they should only be like 75 80 mu.
they are the hardest hhat to use and the least rewarding to use being that they are completely reliant on blocking cover

[tank130]

Sometimes they appear more accurate against infantry then tanks......

[Uglysori]

Sometimes they appear more accurate against infantry then tanks......

Before they were toned down, I recall that with vet and a huge blob they would act like rifle nades.  Myst used to use them that way.

[PonySlaystation]

Honestly they should only be like 75 80 mu.
they are the hardest hhat to use and the least rewarding to use being that they are completely reliant on blocking cover

I think piats are pretty good, higher pen and damage than zooks and a little worse accuracy but why are they so much more expensive? should just be 80 or 90 MU.

[LiquiDeath]

afaik piats always score top armor/thus rear armor hit?

[XIIcorps]

I think piats are pretty good, higher pen and damage than zooks and a little worse accuracy but why are they so much more expensive? should just be 80 or 90 MU.

again what fucking good is dmg and pen if you never hit ?

Zooks rrs shrecks projectiles all zoom and home in if they roll a hit, there is no avoiding it.

Piats on thr other hand dont have super duper dice rolls of   doom, they require something to occupy the same path as the projectile

[skaffa]

again what fucking good is dmg and pen if you never hit ?

Zooks rrs shrecks projectiles all zoom and home in if they roll a hit, there is no avoiding it.

Piats on thr other hand dont have super duper dice rolls of   doom, they require something to occupy the same path as the projectile

Ye agree. Plus zooks still do good dmg n pen if you micro n flank with them.

[XIIcorps]

Well they are like "NERF GUNS". They still deal some dmg, even when they do not penetrate. Watch the maus video carefully.

Watched the MAUS video over and over.
Piats still miss the maus time and time again where no other HHAT would miss at that range!

[GrayWolf]

Watched the MAUS video over and over.
Piats still miss the maus time and time again where no other HHAT would miss at that range!

You sure ? Are you sure ? I watched the video and well... Are you sure ? Give me the seconds where it happens

[XIIcorps]

You sure ? Are you sure ? I watched the video and well... Are you sure ? Give me the seconds where it happens

The first Volley at 8 seconds, 3 hit the ground infront of maus
the second volley at 18 seconds 3-4 hit the ground
the third and 4th volley 2 piats still hit the ground, evident by the craters infront of maus

[GrayWolf]

The first Volley at 8 seconds, 3 hit the ground infront of maus
the second volley at 18 seconds 3-4 hit the ground
the third and 4th volley 2 piats still hit the ground, evident by the craters infront of maus

1st voley : 1 miss
2nd voley : 2 misses
3rd voley : 1 miss
4th voley : 1 miss

1 miss out of 8-10 piats (I picked up some) is a good score I think

Anyway, Bazooka would miss twice as good at the first and second voley. Also Bazooka would not kill the Maus. Anything else ?

[XIIcorps]

1st voley : 1 miss
2nd voley : 2 misses
3rd voley : 1 miss
4th voley : 1 miss

1 miss out of 8-10 piats (I picked up some) is a good score I think

Firing at the Slowest Tank in EIR which is also buttoned.....
Zooks, RR's, Shrecks, Fausts
1st Volley : 0 miss
2nd Volley : 0 miss
3rd Volley : 0 miss
4th Volley : 0 miss

But your right, firing 8-10 piats and only "_____" missing is pretty good.....

[GrayWolf]

Zooks, Shrecks
1st Volley : 0 miss
2nd Volley : 0 miss
3rd Volley : 0 miss
4th Volley : 0 miss

Now  I will just ignore you, cause you're probably playing "nab mod" instead of "EIR"

[XIIcorps]

Now  I will just ignore you, cause you're probably playing "nab mod" instead of "EIR"

so you acknowledge the silly part of my post but not the fact your piats missed the maus at close range while it was buttoned ?

[GrayWolf]

so you acknowledge the silly part of my post but not the fact your piats missed the maus at close range while it was buttoned ?

You call max range or 70% of the range... Close range ?
Clear this shit someone, this man is crazy.


What are you guys saying is :

"Piats cannot reach target, so they are useless... Better make them cost less, so I can buy useless weapon for less money". Such a logic wow...

[XIIcorps]

You call max range or 70% of the range... Close range ?
Clear this shit someone, this man is crazy.


What are you guys saying is :

"Piats cannot reach target, so they are useless... Better make them cost less, so I can buy useless weapon for less money". Such a logic wow...

ok your thought train derailed.

our argument is and always has been, piats miss every time 90% of the time, they are the only HHAT to do this.
they cost just as much MU as all other HHAT and still require certain prerequisites to be met to be used even remotely effectively, and even still your not guaranteed a hit let alone a pen.

ALL OTHER HHAT can be used in any situation, infact they are all best at close range. Where they will roll hits and pens 99% of the time.

[GrayWolf]

Still... Why I you should buy piats for 90 ammo, if you still won't shoot anything with it. You're just wasting ammo...

If you want to buff piats, remember that good players like skaffa, Darsin or me (lawl) will only stomp harder <lol>.

I just wanted to make game balanced, but if you want me to spam even more piats, well why not

[XIIcorps]

Still... Why I you should buy piats for 90 ammo, if you still won't shoot anything with it. You're just wasting ammo...

Because they extra 40mu your saving could be repairs on a LV, a canister round on a stag or even 2x mines on those piat sappers.

Balance is always about cost vs effectiveness