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[lompocus]

i guess i'll just point out the soviet union ended up collapsing and russia is no longer a world power as proof we>u in the military, then.

Yes, because the soviet union collapsed because of their military wasn't good enough.

That's one reason. There was never a direct open conflict (and never will be ) between us and you guys, but if there was (and in some ways there was, via proxy) we would have utterly dominated you guys.

We didn't lose a single military battle in vietnam. We didn't lose militarily in Korea. Unfourtunately, both times idiotic politicians stopped the military (for korea, it was truman trying to prevent WW3, for vietnam it was the hippies lol). Image ww3. It would suck, but we wouldn't have the problems we have today.

*edit* to add insult to injury, we project our military force and you don't. neener neener neener.

this has essentially turned into a military flamewar.

[jockmccrock]

America fought harder for Viet Nam than South Viet Nam did. It was America's war.

My mom is Vietnamese. I'm a Vietnamese American.

To say anyone other than America lost the Vietnam War is laughable. It was a loss for America's military, it was a loss for America's central politics, and it was a loss for America's foreign policy.

Viet Nam was going to be unified, whether the United States liked it or not, and unfortunately, Ho Chi Minh's popularity with the Vietnamese was better than America's popularity with the Vietnamese.

[anthony210]

America fought harder for Viet Nam than South Viet Nam did. It was America's war.

My mom is Vietnamese. I'm a Vietnamese American.

To say anyone other than America lost the Vietnam War is laughable. It was a loss for America's military, it was a loss for America's central politics, and it was a loss for America's foreign policy.

Viet Nam was going to be unified, whether the United States liked it or not, and unfortunately, Ho Chi Minh's popularity with the Vietnamese was better than America's popularity with the Vietnamese.

It was not a loss for America's military, it was a loss for the polititions.  If the polititions had let the military run it, we would have rolled over them.  Had nothing to do with Ho Chi Minh, it had to do with american polititions not wanting to commit fully to the war.  We did not have enough troops over there to win the war, and South Vietnam was pretty much useless.  The fact that the US never lost a battle in the war is a testimant to that.

That said, I have never agreed with our foreign policy of going around fighting wars that are none of our business. 

[jockmccrock]

It wasn't a loss for the US military as a whole, but more on an individualistic, moral, and ethical level.

Take these articles for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

[Schultz]

" you are American, therefore you must be an arrogant asshole."

I think this stands true for a lot people in europe and the world in general and some reasons are :
Americans in general are fed lies but they will treat it as a god -given fact and truth.
American foreign policy and american interference eveywhere tends to make people hate them, but again they fail to see why.
Americans love to think they go on crusades to save democracy, freedom, justice or the dolphins.
Americans love to ignore how many innocent people are killed, starved and set miserable for life on their so-called crusades.

[anthony210]

" you are American, therefore you must be an arrogant asshole."

I think this stands true for a lot people in europe and the world in general and some reasons are :
Americans in general are fed lies but they will treat it as a god -given fact and truth.
American foreign policy and american interference eveywhere tends to make people hate them, but again they fail to see why.
Americans love to think they go on crusades to save democracy, freedom, justice or the dolphins.
Americans love to ignore how many innocent people are killed, starved and set miserable for life on their so-called crusades.

I hate to say this because I like you, but your post kind of insults me.  Most americans are not like that. And all of that is complete bullshit.  Every country has their own agenda, there are much worse out there yet everyone loves to point the hate finger at america.  Everyone makes mistakes, but I would not go as far as saying some of the things you are.

[lompocus]

" you are American, therefore you must be an arrogant asshole."

I think this stands true for a lot people in europe and the world in general and some reasons are :
Americans in general are fed lies but they will treat it as a god -given fact and truth.
American foreign policy and american interference eveywhere tends to make people hate them, but again they fail to see why.
Americans love to think they go on crusades to save democracy, freedom, justice or the dolphins.
Americans love to ignore how many innocent people are killed, starved and set miserable for life on their so-called crusades.

I hate to say this because I like you, but your post kind of insults me.  Most americans are not like that. And all of that is complete bullshit.  Every country has their own agenda, there are much worse out there yet everyone loves to point the hate finger at america.  Everyone makes mistakes, but I would not go as far as saying some of the things you are.

You messed up on the quote, schultz. ur post is in the second quote by accident.

The post insults me, too, but I wouldn't say everything we do is a mistake. Is it a mistake to kill dictators, to bring something from our present as an example. Should I list every single accomplishment of the US from ww2 onwards?

Look at yourselves, wraith. What have euros done? Oh, there's a little country right below your continent called darfur. There's a whole continent that's south of you that could use some aid. Is china one of your examples of the perfect nation?

[anthony210]

I believe Wraith is american.  I think.

[lompocus]

I believe Wraith is american.  I think.

then he speaks horribly about his own nation. he should leave.

*edit* @ lesser I forgot to reply to your one post. If we sent you no supplies, you probably still would have won. You'd just end up killing 2/3 of your country's population in the process. *Edit2* oh wait, you already did that during stalin's purges.

[Ciwawa]

i have only a question for you that say "we was in iraq to kill a dictator"

You truly belive that an iraqui civilan give a fuck about if he have a pesident a king or a dictator???

Obviosuly NO i'm tired of this idiot lyes, they are just too busy to try to not die for starving is ridicolous if you think they give a damn to democracy, free election and stuff like that.... maybe they wanted them after but right now they want healt care an hot meal and no bomb on their head!


My country troop are in iraq, i really wish they came back in the homeland and leave the american with the mess they created. I don't like my broothers blood wasted for usa business.

[anthony210]

i have only a question for you that say "we was in iraq to kill a dictator"

You truly belive that an iraqui civilan give a fuck about if he have a pesident a king or a dictator???

Obviosuly NO i'm tired of this idiot lyes, they are just too busy to try to not die for starving is ridicolous if you think they give a damn to democracy, free election and stuff like that.... maybe they wanted them after but right now they want healt care an hot meal and no bomb on their head!


My country troop are in iraq, i really wish they came back in the homeland and leave the american with the mess they created. I don't like my broothers blood wasted for usa business.

This thread is rediculous, its impossible to have intelligant conversations with people like you because you are full of hate...

Since this thread is so off the wall, here is a little move to explain why america kicks ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

FUCK YEA

[lompocus]

i have only a question for you that say "we was in iraq to kill a dictator"

You truly belive that an iraqui civilan give a fuck about if he have a pesident a king or a dictator???

Obviosuly NO i'm tired of this idiot lyes, they are just too busy to try to not die for starving is ridicolous if you think they give a damn to democracy, free election and stuff like that.... maybe they wanted them after but right now they want healt care an hot meal and no bomb on their head!


My country troop are in iraq, i really wish they came back in the homeland and leave the american with the mess they created. I don't like my broothers blood wasted for usa business.

Learn some form of English grammar. Please.

Now, in an attempt to shift this back to the original topic of america...

M1-Abrams vs T-55.

[anthony210]

F-22 Raptor vs any other fighter in the world.

The Space Shuttle.

The USS Nimitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier vs any other aircraft carrier in the world.

Do I need to go on?

[lompocus]

i thought nimitz were an extremely old class of carrier?

[anthony210]

Nimitz is the latest class of aircraft carrier we have, the USS Gerald Ford is the newest one but its not out yet.  Its slated for active duty in 2015.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford_class_aircraft_carrier

Also take into account the first nimitz class carrier was launched in 1975, and still today is the most advanced aircraft carrier in the world.  And it carries the most advanced fighters and bombers in the world on it.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

[Vietnam] was not a loss for America's military, it was a loss for the polititions.

It was a rather severe loss for both. Vietnam had a horrendous impact on the US military.

It's true that the failures in vietnam were political more than anything else; every one of the south vietnamese governments was obscenely corrupt and vile.  None of them were truely viable.

  But politics and war are not seperate spheres, where the generals did their job and the politicians didn't; Clausewitz remains relevant.

[Unkn0wn]

Vietnam was one of the first steps towards the end of US World Supremacy.
Iraq is pretty much one of the final chapters in the story of the unilateral Superpower that is the US.

The US was the only remaining superpower after the cold war, now 20 years later, the European Union, China and various others (India, Brazil, etc) are stepping up next to the US, to claim their piece in world politics. In the coming decades, world politics will be more than ever, run by a number of superpowers spread across the globe.

[Schultz]

The US was the only remaining superpower after the cold war, now 20 years later, the European Union, China and various others (India, Brazil, etc) are stepping up next to the US, to claim their piece in world politics. In the coming decades, world politics will be more than ever, run by a number of superpowers spread across the globe.

Hopefully. Having more than once "superpowers" is good for world affairs balance. They keep each other at bay.

Sorry that my post was insulting but its because your foreign policy is also insulting. Your freaking president is insulting.
And your nationalistic ego that fail to see how much you are exploited and manipulated by your state and the media that you so blindly care is insulting.
Instead of going abroad killing innocent in the name of oil and money, you should look whats happening to your country internally.

What about the millions of americans that are starving? That are unemployed, that have no health insurance whatsoever, that are beyond the poverty line, that have no chance on education..
What about the vast amount of americans that dont vote, does that say anything about your great system, a system that excludes them in a way or another. They see politians for what they really are.
Well go go lets have another war, theres so much money to be made out of selling weapons.

Why american soldiers the best? Was my post insulting. This is so fucking insulting!
And btw if you think american weapons are good, you should really check the russian ones, cause they're really no match.

[Lesserevil]

@ lompocus

If nothing else your posts make me laugh. Dont get me wrong i like listening to people's opinions even if they are horribly wrong just because its funny. And yes my post may have been a little bit filled with flames. I guess its more fun that way.

That's one reason. There was never a direct open conflict (and never will be Sad ) between us and you guys, but if there was (and in some ways there was, via proxy) we would have utterly dominated you guys.

I hate to tell you, but post ww2 era Europe USSR enjoyed a huge superiority in conventional weapons in Europe. So they would have rolled through it without too many issues, only nuclear weapons kept USSR in check. But they had those too so if anyone was to use them it would be game over.

We didn't lose a single military battle in vietnam. We didn't lose militarily in Korea. Unfourtunately, both times idiotic politicians stopped the military (for korea, it was truman trying to prevent WW3, for vietnam it was the hippies lol). Image ww3. It would suck, but we wouldn't have the problems we have today.

Technically thats true because Vietnamese and Korean's fought a gorilla war much like Iraq right now so to fight an actual military engagement was impossible. And Public oppinion > all in the USA you should know that. Also, are you kidding? If we had world war 3 there would be nothing left.

*edit* to add insult to injury, we project our military force and you don't. neener neener neener.

Yes and you lost where you projected it. Also you used it to occupy and install dictators in foregn countries. Sure USA actually helped alot of people, but it did alot of harm. Hence why so many people dont like it today. As for USSR it did not need to project its force, because of the way it was run it simply could not afford to. Soviet economy = crap.

Look at yourselves, wraith. What have euros done? Oh, there's a little country right below your continent called darfur. There's a whole continent that's south of you that could use some aid. Is china one of your examples of the perfect nation? Tongue

Thats a global problem to which no one has an answer.

*edit* @ lesser I forgot to reply to your one post. If we sent you no supplies, you probably still would have won. You'd just end up killing 2/3 of your country's population in the process. *Edit2* oh wait, you already did that during stalin's purges.

Pffft it was not just during Stalins purges, it was before and after. After all did you know that he caused a famine that killed 10 million people? Dont misunderstand the war was not about the casulties for the soviet union, it was about winning. And with 200mil population (hard to actually get true statistics during that era on USSR) 10 million was a drop in the bucket. However killing 2/3 well that was going to be hard to do. Perhaps killing 1/4 and imprisoning the rest. 

To wrap this all up. Im responding to you lompocus because you think you are right even though you are not. Sure there are alot of post in the topic that are incorrect but i find yours more amusing to correct. And just to clarify i am an American citizen, and i don't agree with US policy both now and in the last 10 years. It was done by a drunk monkey, how else can you explain these failures?

P.S. I am joining the militery and i have a BA in History so to quote

neener neener neener.

Ok now im done lowering myself to 8th grade level. I can get some tea and wake up.

My 2c.

[lompocus]

Vietnam was one of the first steps towards the end of US World Supremacy.
Iraq is pretty much one of the final chapters in the story of the unilateral Superpower that is the US.

The US was the only remaining superpower after the cold war, now 20 years later, the European Union, China and various others (India, Brazil, etc) are stepping up next to the US, to claim their piece in world politics. In the coming decades, world politics will be more than ever, run by a number of superpowers spread across the globe.

I'm really surprised a mod said that.
Brazil just flat out isn't to that level yet.
China will, for a long time, continue to rely on outside sources (mainly US) for food imports.
Russia (directed at LE)...well, I point to the history of russia and russia's lack of wanting to expand the right way as an indicator they can't be a superpower.
As far as India goes, that's a possbility. You never know
EU, because of their internal politics and their unwillingness to project their force.
I.E., in response to darfur and africa:

Thats a global problem to which no one has an answer.