Ciwawa
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2008, 06:32:04 am » |
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kv1 was a bullshit tank used even in the talvisota (winter war russia vs finland) pz4 simple make the kv1 a piece of junk The sturm 43 was an anty-infantry self propelled artyllery piece and hell no one want more artillery in this game The elefant and the is2 was bot anty-tank unit but not like the m10 they where armored and slow. but bot don't have an mg so they aren't so effective against infantry And the t-34 wasn't the all pwn tank that many people think is a good one but it pwned the pz4 because is fast and have an high turret rotatio speed
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2008, 12:32:14 pm » |
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And the t-34 wasn't the all pwn tank that many people think is a good one but it pwned the pz4 because is fast and have an high turret rotatio speed
The t-34 was definitally no THE tank, but it was the best over-all tank of WW2, even discovery channel said so.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2008, 12:34:52 pm » |
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there were 2 version of the t34.
The best tank will ever remain the kt. never in the war is frontal armor was penetreted.
The t-34 have a better armor then the sherman and was better than the pz4 but no way they can take out a panther if not outnumbered
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TheDeadlyShoe
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2008, 01:06:29 pm » |
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The t-34 have a better armor then the sherman
The t-34 had significantly thinner armor than the Sherman, though the sloping was better.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2008, 01:36:43 pm » |
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The best tank will ever remain the kt. never in the war is frontal armor was penetreted.
Wrong, even if that Rumor is quite popular. The Tank you mean was the StuG-Version of the Tiger II, the Jagttiger. It had 250 mm Front armor and a 128 mm Main gun. This tank actually saw combat service, yes. The Frontarmor of the King tiger was once Penetrated after several tests in a russian military complex. They captured 3, but only one made it there, the other 2 were used to provide spares to repair the third until it arrived. Those tests also prooved that the qualitiy of the welding wasn't too good, as Germany was lacking recources at that time. Anyways, give exsamples of how such Tanks could be integrated into CoH. Like the M36, I would realy like to see that, maybe for Armor Players as expensive Tank Hunter.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2008, 02:55:35 pm » |
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what i was saying was "never penetred in combat"
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2008, 02:57:37 pm » |
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what i was saying was "never penetred in combat" For shoe: The armor of the t-34 have a new technology that deflect shot coming insteand of taking them, this kind of armor plate technology maked them a lot way better compared to sherman. And sherman were drived by trained soldier T-34 were drived from paesant
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2008, 03:05:22 pm » |
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The armor of the t-34 have a new technology that deflect shot coming insteand of taking them, this kind of armor plate technology maked them a lot way better compared to sherman. And sherman were drived by trained soldier T-34 were drived from paesant You mean 45 degrees slope armor? And all Russian tankers were taken from men who had at least a high school education. So they aren't exactly "peasants." Though nonetheless, they weren't as well trained as the Germans, Americans, etc.
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Ciwawa
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2008, 03:07:20 pm » |
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The armor of the t-34 have a new technology that deflect shot coming insteand of taking them, this kind of armor plate technology maked them a lot way better compared to sherman. And sherman were drived by trained soldier T-34 were drived from paesant are you kidding me?? after the red army was slaughtered from the finnish and after from the axis blitzkrieg most of theyr tanker were fresh recruit com from the ural or siberia, often 18-19 old boy without any battle or tank experience O_o You mean 45 degrees slope armor? And all Russian tankers were taken from men who had at least a high school education. So they aren't exactly "peasants." Though nonetheless, they weren't as well trained as the Germans, Americans, etc.
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AmPM
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2008, 03:08:02 pm » |
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If you compare the t-34 and the Sherman in the late war, the T-34 is faster, better off crosscountry, better gun, better armor (taking slope into effect) and is easier to produce.
The T-34 was the BEST tank produced during WW2 if you take the battlefield performance and logistical difficulty into consideration.
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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2008, 03:11:49 pm » |
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What I meant was, the average Russian tanker was smarter than the average Russian soldier. Obviously you wanted the smarter guys in the tanks and rest out in the field as footsoldiers or at least that's the Russian top brasses thought. I wasn't trying to imply that high school graduates had any real understanding of driving a tank either.
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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2008, 03:23:29 pm » |
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I hope the tankers were smarter than the infantry the brass decided to throw at machine guns!
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Ciwawa
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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2008, 03:57:59 pm » |
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remember what truly comunism means: "everyone can do everything because all people are equal" I think tanker where selected for lucky or because they where near and tank. Remeber russian where do despereatly and already considered almost defeated so they don't really cared to select personnel but just to trow at the german as many soldier as possible. This is what i think, bur i don't remember any russian training facility. What the russian instead have, haved an probably will have in future are the best sniper ever. trained in syberia able to lie in the snow for hours and still able to hit theyr target
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2008, 04:27:43 pm » |
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I think tanker where selected for lucky or because they where near and tank. Remeber russian where do despereatly and already considered almost defeated so they don't really cared to select personnel but just to trow at the german as many soldier as possible.
You think, but I know for a fact that tankers were selected from educated individuals. In fact, the very reason why they're using educated people for their tankers is because they are desperate. They didn't have the time to take volunteers and train them to be professional tankers. So they took those with a decent education placed them inside tankers because they assumed that they will learn faster than some farmboy.
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AmPM
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2008, 04:29:20 pm » |
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Except that in Communism people are not all necessarily equal, its just that there is no ruling class. So one could be a better tank driver and be used in that sense.
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2008, 04:50:19 pm » |
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We should have super robots!!
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Ciwawa
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2008, 04:53:13 pm » |
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nazi super sience... that tink that really scare me about the ww2 is the enigma about the hitler secret nuclear weapon. There are proof thet atomic test was achieved and some italian diplomat invited from hitler reported back to mussolini on how that bomb was devastating and can bring up the balance in favor of the axis.... now i sow many documents in proof that the bomb existed so my question is "where the hell is that bomb right now?" Sorry a bit off topic
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2008, 05:50:39 pm » |
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If there was a bomb it NEVER was found, but how about propaganda? The offial doctrine on that topic was: Either we win the war now, or wi'll never win it. So the Nuke programm was canceled and iced until the 'Endsieg' (the final win) that just never occured. Everything the allies found was purely civil. Maybe we should cover in fear? Could be a nuclear Bomb somewhere.
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Ciwawa
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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2008, 06:09:08 pm » |
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lol i'm not saying that.. i only wondering on why hitler don't used it to make insta surrend uk or american.
Story is a very crazy thing mine buddy you can't be never sure something is truly, you have to trust historician but they are human and they are lier too often.
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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2008, 06:16:53 pm » |
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nazi super sience... that tink that really scare me about the ww2 is the enigma about the hitler secret nuclear weapon. There are proof thet atomic test was achieved and some italian diplomat invited from hitler reported back to mussolini on how that bomb was devastating and can bring up the balance in favor of the axis.... now i sow many documents in proof that the bomb existed so my question is "where the hell is that bomb right now?" Sorry a bit off topic The Nazi's never had enough heavy water to create the bomb. The Norway Resistance made sure of that
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