Paks sniping at guns

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[stumpster]

I really hope that Relic patches soon, but if EIRR gets out before the beta patch does, I'm going to see if we can't take the beta patch changes and apply them here.

[notenome]

I love your last two paragraphs wildifire: The reason some allied shit seems OP is because the allied players are better. Last time I heard that internet gem was regarding rogues in world of warcraft.  I have no problem with the pershing and actually its a fun tank to kill as its acc is piss poor when moving, always an interesting battle vs experienced players and something else entirely against ppl who cant micro it correctly.

Regarding tank reapers, which isnt the topic of this thread so I'll try to be brief, give me a break. Tank reapers damn near neutralize tanks, they dont force us to micro and the idea that axis players dont micro their tanks is equally laughable, I guess compared to the super allied rogues we must be autistic. A tank reaper can 2 shot a P4 through its front armor, they always penetrate and with a properly placed mg nearby they are almost impossible to destroy. Yes you can kill them with arty but a- nebels suppress they dont kill, stukas kill but they dont destroy (so they can be quickly remaned) as do mortars not to mention the fact that mortars always die (which reminds me, what is the bonus for the mythical vet 3 mortar). If you dont believe tank reapers are OP, then its pointless to even carry this discussion forward.

as for m8s? The lead leaderboard player MSGTUSMC runs an m8 spam company, so you might want to reavaluate your opinions about that much maligned units.

I understand pak sniping is an anoyance. Hell it might even be slightly imbalanced, but its hardly unique in this regard, and it is the BEST counter to tank reapers, which is why a lot of ppl dont want to see it go without reapers being fixed. I say pak sniping is an annoyance bc in my experience any half way decent player will have a multitude of ways of killing a pak, especially considering you dont have to see it to kill it with arty. If your last at gun killed by a pak, that not the deciding factor in a battle, all the things that caused all your other AT weapons (tanks, at guns, rangers, RRs etc) to die and only leave you with one AT gun is what decided the battle. Ive never ended a game and had someone say "gg, paks killed us". Maybe its luck of the draw but I stand by my guns.

[Skaevola]

I love your last two paragraphs wildifire: The reason some allied shit seems OP is because the allied players are better. Last time I heard that internet gem was regarding rogues in world of warcraft.  I have no problem with the pershing and actually its a fun tank to kill as its acc is piss poor when moving, always an interesting battle vs experienced players and something else entirely against ppl who cant micro it correctly.

Regarding tank reapers, which isnt the topic of this thread so I'll try to be brief, give me a break. Tank reapers damn near neutralize tanks, they dont force us to micro and the idea that axis players dont micro their tanks is equally laughable, I guess compared to the super allied rogues we must be autistic. A tank reaper can 2 shot a P4 through its front armor, they always penetrate and with a properly placed mg nearby they are almost impossible to destroy. Yes you can kill them with arty but a- nebels suppress they dont kill, stukas kill but they dont destroy (so they can be quickly remaned) as do mortars not to mention the fact that mortars always die (which reminds me, what is the bonus for the mythical vet 3 mortar). If you dont believe tank reapers are OP, then its pointless to even carry this discussion forward.

as for m8s? The lead leaderboard player MSGTUSMC runs an m8 spam company, so you might want to reavaluate your opinions about that much maligned units.

I understand pak sniping is an anoyance. Hell it might even be slightly imbalanced, but its hardly unique in this regard, and it is the BEST counter to tank reapers, which is why a lot of ppl dont want to see it go without reapers being fixed. I say pak sniping is an annoyance bc in my experience any half way decent player will have a multitude of ways of killing a pak, especially considering you dont have to see it to kill it with arty. If your last at gun killed by a pak, that not the deciding factor in a battle, all the things that caused all your other AT weapons (tanks, at guns, rangers, RRs etc) to die and only leave you with one AT gun is what decided the battle. Ive never ended a game and had someone say "gg, paks killed us". Maybe its luck of the draw but I stand by my guns.

I say again: lol play allies.

First of all don't even bring in such bullshit as pak guns being the only counter to TR. TR may be overpowered but not everyone plays as them! And plus, pak guns don't even counter them! TR AT guns can still kill cloaked pak guns (most of the time)

Second, you don't have to see it to kill it with artillery? Seriously? Do you think Allies can read minds?

What if its Pak guns that kill all your AT guns the entire battle? AT guns are hardly survivable, being so slow and vulnerable, yet they cost so much. The upside to that is generally you can recrew it, however Pak guns destroy the gun! AT guns are the only decent non doctrinal counter to armor. (lol good luck trying to take on a kt or a tiger with m10s or shermans.)

[GamerAndy]

i'm really trying not to post too much lol but seriously, you keep comparing tank reapers to pak sniping....

I don't think theres many players who would say that tank reapers isn't poorly designed and horribly OP, I played tank reapers for 2 wars BECAUSE it was insanely overpowered

my understanding is that the new version of EIR will not include abilities like TR and to that I say more power to ya


Maybe someone from the dev team can comment on this so it can stop being used in balance discussions?

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

You have a problem with TR? 1 word: Infantry.

[GenericNameAlpha]

I have yet to see a player successfully micro an m10

 You havn't seen killer and his m8/m10 company.

[GamerAndy]

You have a problem with TR? 1 word: Infantry.

just because its counterable doesnt mean its not OP lol

[AmPM]

I play mostly armor as axis, TR are annoying, but not game breaking.

[salan]

I really hope that Relic patches soon, but if EIRR gets out before the beta patch does, I'm going to see if we can't take the beta patch changes and apply them here.

I don't see why that wouldn't be possible..

[notenome]

You dont have to read minds, I've lost count the number of times a callie barrage knocked out a cloaked pak you didnt even know was there, and after they fire the first time, you know their position, bombin run/1 sec arty/howie bla bla bla.

Also I compare TR to pak sniping not bc I think its equivalent, but that I find it hilarious that people scream bloody murder about sniping and mums the word on the much more broken TR.

[GamerAndy]

who exactly are these people trying to keep tank reapers being OP a secret?

[Akranadas]

It's not a secret

[salan]

TR is probably one of the strongest doctrine choices in the game, it comes coupled with a huge infantry decrease if you spec right and a increase to range on support weapons and a howie..

[GammaCommander]

No one is denying the fact that TR are broken. It's been accepted ever since it was modifed to its current state. The reason why we're not talking about that is because this thread is centered on Pak sniping at guns.

Regardless, Pak Gun sniping other AT guns has always been deemed as unintended and unfair. A simple fix of reducing accuracy of AT Guns vs other AT Guns is the solution. This may be coming from the Relic beta patch, but Relic's patching method is very slow and in the end, it's still up to the EIR Devs to decide what they want to carry over in the patch.

[Wildfire]

Yeah, no one's saying TR isn't powerful but  Pak sniping isn't a doctrinal ability, every axis player can use it And then there's abilities that make paks stronger or have longer range. Bltiz can help your pak gun get away faster (or is it another ability...i forget which but i've seen a pak gun move awfully fats) put an officer on a pak gun and you've got a very powerful anti tank weapon. The allies have no on the field powers that can buff units (blitz, etc), no "wtf, how'd my 4 rifles die to 2 volks" abilities (FTFL) so to say that allies are OP is retarded. In the last couple weeks, it's been back n forth so I'd have to say that they're pretty much equal now, it's always been skill and as the new axis players got better, it got more balanced.

[Malevolence]

So the ability to countersnipe sniping paks is irrelevant to you! The mark of an excellent troll indeed.

[Wildfire]

omg stfu dude, you can't counter snipe something you can't see you dip shit, did you read what every one else is saying? By the time you can move your AT Gun and realize ur getting sniped, more than liely, they'ge got 2 hits on you and may get a shot or 2 off when ur moving. You're the troll dude, just going thru the balance discussion today pulliing up old threads and reviving them with your brilliant insight (sarcasm)

[Akranadas]

Oi, come on now. It's a game, dont get so worked up about it or I'll have to do not nice things.

[stumpster]

Okay, let's just calm down.  With EiRR, Tank Reapers will not exist as we know it, and the beta changes will make the Pak not wtfpwn against the 57mm so hard.  Both issues will be solved.

[Wildfire]

im calm, i just dont like the way he came at me with no relevant discussion just going at me like that. I dont appreciate it, i could give a damn if it's a game, I felt that was disrespectful.