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[Mgallun74]

Sherman 76mm needs some love.. damage and penetration needs to be in m10 3inch gun area. 140mun too expensive for crap.  Sure it penetrates a tad better, but damage done is same as 75mm.. blah.

[MannfredvonRitter]

Sherman 76mm needs some love.. damage and penetration needs to be in m10 3inch gun area. 140mun too expensive for crap.  Sure it penetrates a tad better, but damage done is same as 75mm.. blah.

They don't edit base stats, gotta argue for prices alone I think. 76 is a lot better than 75.

[CafeMilani]

thats due to its penetration

lol penetrates the cover? xD

[Mgallun74]

Sherman 76mm needs some love.. damage and penetration needs to be in m10 3inch gun area. 140mun too expensive for crap.  Sure it penetrates a tad better, but damage done is same as 75mm.. blah.

They don't edit base stats, gotta argue for prices alone I think. 76 is a lot better than 75.

i wouldnt say alot better, it penetrates a tad bit better, but for 140mun i would think it would get more damage done, it does the same as the 75mm.

[Bubz]

This thread is about hmgs, not tanks.

[CafeMilani]

uhm more penetration-> more damage?!!

[gamesguy1]

uhm more penetration-> more damage?!!

Not necessarily.

75mm sherman is better against everything ostwind level armor down.  It fires faster.

[gamesguy1]

Commando MG's have more health I thought? Also it allows you something you can't normally have, so should be more expensive to represent that.

Nope.  All support crew have 70 hp.  Commandos have the same.  Although they are literally commandos, complete with soldier armor and stens.

Commando MG is also by far the worst MG in the game.  Its like a more gimped 30 cal.  Same rof/damage/suppression/range as the 30 cal, but like two and a half times higher cooldown between bursts and no AP rounds.

[Killer344]

wtf.... I´d suppose a commando hmg should be better..

[gamesguy1]

wtf.... I´d suppose a commando hmg should be better..

You think 30 cal suppresses slow, wait till you see grenadiers charge the commando MG.  If your first burst doesnt suppress(which can happen quite often), you get to sit there and wait like 4 seconds for the MG to cooldown and fire another burst.

[MistenTH]

uhm more penetration-> more damage?!!

Not necessarily.

75mm sherman is better against everything ostwind level armor down.  It fires faster.

http://coh-stats.com/Weapon:76mm_Sherman
http://coh-stats.com/Weapon:75mm_Sherman

As GG said, 76mm upgun INCREASES reload of Sherman from 6s to 7s.

Damage remains the same regardless of penetration.

Upgun only really helps against Panzer4s and Stugs/StuHs. The other axis heavy tanks still have reasonable penetration protection (plus rape the Sherman anyway), or else the Sherman is facing light vehicle armour where upgun doesn't do anything since it already penetrates.

[jackmccrack]

With frontal penetration at 45%, Upguns can *reasonably* engage a Tiger with care.

[Tymathee]

This thread is about hmgs, not tanks.

you titled it "balancements for u.s." so...meh, lets talk balancements for the u.s.

but yeah 140 mu for just an upgrade in penetration yet an increase in reload time, yay! Might as well just keep fighting until u vet up cuz then you get higher penetration by like 10-20% i think.

[DeadlyShoe]

The upgun might damage a nonvet tiger, but for pop its just pissing in the wind.

And yeah, the upgun price should come waaaay down. You get less benefit out of it than Axis do from skirts.