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[Smokaz]

Propose brit buffs here. Ability changes, price reductions. No nerf suggestions.

- Recon tommies: Reduce snipe cooldown by a slight amount
- Mortar emplacement: Needs to be tougher or cheaper
- 25 pounder: needs to be more resistant to counterartillery, longer range
- 25 pounder: Slightly reduced set up time (5 s or so)
- Normal churchill: Price decrease
- Normal churchill: accuracy increased versus infantry (especially in buildings)
- Normal Churchill: Tank shock is free on this unit
- Churchill crocodile: Starting availability set to 1
- Give the normal unupgraded bren carrier button as well (like in vanilla)
- Reduce the cost of riflenades to 90 munitions (they are good but not better than bren)
- Reduce munitions cost of 17 pounder to 140 (Its not better than a PAK)
- Reduce bofors cost to 75 munitions (overpriced for sure)
- Cromwell accuracy versus infantry needs to be looked at (especially inside buildings)
- Firefly reduced to 11 pop (it cant handle anything but tanks from range and the reduced 3 pop will be used by a command tank like it SHOULD be)
- Reduce the cost of FFO artillery to 175 munitions (its not that good)
- Give the stuart less incoming accuracy from shreks at long range (not paks though)
- Give stuart more canister shot uses with veterancy
- Reduce cost of stuart to 280 manpower

[Mysthalin_Axis]

- Make FOO actualy work.

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[Khorney]

nothing extraordinary here, shouldn't kick up too much of a fuss.

may i request a reduction in firefly MP cost? at 615 its currently more expensive than the calliope, which seem a bit much IMO...

[Mgallun74]

give them their freaking 57mm...

[Malevolence]

#1 least used brit unit ever, excluding piat commandos: mortar pit. So crap right now it needs a buff, be it doctrinal or otherwise.

[RikiRude]

mortar truly needs an MP decrease. I can never afford to put one in my company, because I don't know when I would need a static mortar, especially since they are so easily countered. i fully agree with the nade price reduction, the recon shot, and stuart. not all these things need to be done, but some of them certainly do.

[sgMisten]

Should command units [LT, Captain, CCT] (and by extension wehr officer) have a lower pop cost too, like 2?

[CafeMilani]

Clipped for flaming/baiting.  Keep it clean.  If you do not agree then post why, not that Smoakaz is...


Warning.

-Das

[Smokaz]

Neither the list or the buffs proposed are or will ever be anything other than suggestions unless the mods state otherwise (Like they JUST did today in the veterancy thread) but they outline some of the real british problems.


Cleaned out the stuff about the players on warning.

-Das.

[DasNoob]

I cleaned this up.  Warnings have been sent.  Please keep this topic clean.  It is a good debate.

[salan]

Just because someone posts suggestions does not mean they will be incorporated people, no need to 'attack' because someone is pointing out issues with a side.

Price reductions here are very similar to the ones we ourselves had listed as  issues.  The actual unit buffs will probably never happen unless through doctrine or veterancy changes, i don't know why people think we are going to start tweaking base unit stats constantly.

if we have to on a unit, we will, but we will document the reasons very thoroughly, and probably hold an official discussion on it previously.

[Raio]

(small suggestion)
 watch replays with good brit players/ask em, often they r using only half of brit stuff.
  why
  

[Prydain]

Static mortar that can be out ranged by a mobile mortar... Have rifle grenades been nurfed? They don't seem to do much damage. Axis mortar needs to be killable by infantry.

[Wolster1]

Id like to see 2xParadropped AT guns on the American Airborne reinforcements vs a flame Sherman, would make it a viable option for AT short Commando players, + would suppliment well the rather naff Commando Piats, not to mention make the airborne call in a nice well rounded force.

[Mysthalin]

tetrarchs are the commando AT, not PIATs.

[Wolster1]

Agreed, but i no id be more inclined to select the Airborne reinforcements to my commando force if they came with some 57mm backup, esp when i havent got to worry about a safe glider landing in hostile terrain, suppose RRs on the airborne are also better back up to the piats.

The main issue as brit commando imo is anti heavy tank capability, & a 57mm will do the job more reliably than a Tet, but even better is a 57mm supported by a Tet.

[Wolster1]

Ooohh while im on a roll, any chance the gliders hp/armour could be buffed a little more, its quite costly to get 1 shot nuked by any passing gun, usually due to damage already incurred on the landing.

I realise i should be landing in uncontested terrain but accidents happen in fow, besides if it took 2/3 shots to kill the glider id feel more comfy paying the high commando cost. Currently there is a reasonably high chance your commandos wont make it out of the glider, no such issue with airborne/FJ units so i think it ought to reflected in the cost.

Carnt understand the current usage on Commando DCs either, well overpriced for no use at all, shame they dont come with airborne DCs (never successfully used one in combat - this may be my fault as a newb commando player tho).

[SyKoFanTlvl2]

Static mortar that can be out ranged by a mobile mortar... Have rifle grenades been nurfed? They don't seem to do much damage. Axis mortar needs to be killable by infantry.

Not getting ur point... all axis mortars are very vulnerable to infantry... the HT-mortar especially with bars/stickies/button. And rifle nades does tons of damage - when they hit, that is, and shooting over buildings, hedges etc. is a big advantage, as well as their range, which makes up for their mediocre accuracy.

 I agree that the riflenades should be cheaper than the bren, but its not a reasonable comparison, you have to compare its cost to the cost of the other factions weapon-upgrades aswell, maybe the bren is too cheap? its about as good as a LMG, is on a stronger unit, and gets button for only 25 more muni... win-win i'd say.

[Mysthalin]

It's about as good as an LMG on an EQUAL unit(to be supperior you need a captain/LT).
It does not pay extra for button, incorporated in price. It costs 90 mun to field a bren(but remember it costs 150 mun to field a 17 pdr, 85 mun(or 100 for mandoz) to field PIATS. Mandoz are 150 mun. Tets are 70 mun to become viable, 30 mun for flank speed 45 for tank commander, 85 for canister shot. Finaly, rifle nades are 100 mun. Brits are quite muni intensive overall... And yeah, the rifle nade isn't all that powerful to be considered equal to a KCH squad(by muni cost), but it does have rifle smoke...