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[TheDeadlyShoe]

* Increase build time.  it's absurd how quick they build. you can button something, build a 17 and have it taking shots before the button ends.

* Increase power of incendiary round (m-ht) and nebel flame against emplacements.  They don't do enough right now. (Contrary to what some have said, nebels/incendiary rounds shouldn't be a direct counter to emplacements - that's what they were before, and it made emplacements unuseable.)

* Regular mortar damage seems about right. An emplacement can unpack under mortar fire, but you lose it if you delay at all.

* Slightly reduce the range on 17, bofors, vickers. -5 each. Perhaps -10 on 17.

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Any thoughts?

[CafeMilani]

the emplacements are only one problem the davs made by buffing piats, emplacements blahblah:
blobbing is more effective then it was before and than it was in EiR. and sim citying is also very popular again...especially mods exploit the uberness of e.g. empöacements, that means they know emplacements are uber right now. sad.

[Malevolence]

I would say make the build time slightly longer and the unpack time slightly shorter. Same rough time to redeploy, but more of that time is spent with the axis knowing you're vulnerable thus making emplacements a little easier to counter with indirect fire.

[EliteGrens]

And fix the issue with the free full health when rebuilding.

[Leafedge]

-20 on the 17 is too much. It is normally 64, and it is 80 now. It should be around 70 range. Right now it is actually superior to the 88, and that isn't good.

Agreed on the packing times, Mal.

I just played a game of EIRR, and it was honestly worse than Scheldt vcoh. I'm not playing vs Brits again until next patch. 17's are mobile, free repair 88s. Bofors are a combination ATG, Sniper, and MG, but with more range, also with free repair. It's ok to have emplacements be usable in EIR, but the current British are simply stupid. The game is unplayable.

[Schultz]

-20 on the 17 is too much. It is normally 64, and it is 80 now. It should be around 70 range. Right now it is actually superior to the 88, and that isn't good.

Agreed on the packing times, Mal.

I just played a game of EIRR, and it was honestly worse than Scheldt vcoh. I'm not playing vs Brits again until next patch. 17's are mobile, free repair 88s. Bofors are a combination ATG, Sniper, and MG, but with more range, also with free repair. It's ok to have emplacements be usable in EIR, but the current British are simply stupid. The game is unplayable.

QFT

I dunno what you guys were thinking before implementing the changes but i feel exactly like leaf does.

[Draken]

Yeah playing against brits is not fun anymore. I played today 3v3 on abbe, they made fucking new york city in the town, arty was like rain, sure u can win, but it looks like vcoh now, suicidal blob charges, arty spam, and sim cities, no fun for me.

[Bubz]

I agree somehow but so is AC puma and IHT

[Schultz]

I love the piats blob now. They kill anything. Tanks, infantry anything.
I made the mistake at closing down some volks to two piat squads, they died faster than they would have been smg rangers ! I dont view them as engees anymore, theyre leet infantry. My p4 is like cattle getting to the butcher. I have never seen something like it lol, piats make schreks absolute.

[TheDeadlyShoe]

17's are mobile, free repair 88s.

'free repair' is way overexaggerated. 88s are extremely resistant to artillery fire, moreso than 17s, although they can be decrewed by direct hits. plus 88s have more firepower and range.

note however that 88s take a frigging eon to build.

Bofors are a combination ATG, Sniper, and MG,

you said this before.. it was silly then, it's silly now. the bofors is not anything approaching an ATG or sniper. And it's great against infantry, but it has no suppression; it can't anti-blob.

P.S. almost forgot

17 pdr -> 5 pop.

[CafeMilani]

I agree somehow but so is AC puma and IHT

usually, axis players dont suicide their units but use them tactically. ok, when u suicide rush an AC it wont do much damage because its weak. but when u suicide rush commandos, piat blobs (nearly every brit player has a piat blob in his company) they will rape!

[Smokaz]

From what I've seen, emplacements were overbuffed, piats has become a cheap type of RR on low population super cheap squads combined with the patheticness of the current skirts. Americans are looking like the most well-rounded faction atm

[TheDeadlyShoe]

We only have 15 threads where people are bitching about piats. Please talk about emplacements.   

[Draken]

btw about piats, 2 shots took more then half hp on my p4 that was fun.

[CafeMilani]

 allied buff+ axis buff= 'double' allied buff" or 'double' nerf on axis

our balancing team made a hardcore problem out of it 

[salan]

1 anti building grenade killed my bofors from full health.. cheap way of removing a building.

[EscforrealityTLS]

That equation does not make sense.

[salan]

ya i cried a little, but it was effective for the bugger!

[Two]

even in vcoh it takes more then 1 to kill a bofors

[RikiRude]

-20 on the 17 is too much. It is normally 64, and it is 80 now. It should be around 70 range. Right now it is actually superior to the 88, and that isn't good.

Agreed on the packing times, Mal.

I just played a game of EIRR, and it was honestly worse than Scheldt vcoh. I'm not playing vs Brits again until next patch. 17's are mobile, free repair 88s. Bofors are a combination ATG, Sniper, and MG, but with more range, also with free repair. It's ok to have emplacements be usable in EIR, but the current British are simply stupid. The game is unplayable.

Double QFT!

QFT

I dunno what you guys were thinking before implementing the changes but i feel exactly like leaf does.