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[BigDick]

this and lmg grens have no smoke and rush...they are not assault infantry that rape on the move...and their weapons are only realy good at close range...

if you dont charge lmg grens they dont do much...so never charge lmg grens except you have rangers or commandos

[CafeMilani]

i bet: double stg44 storms<mandos both ve0

the unit which charges probably loses...

[Mysthalin]

Depends, double STG44 stormies have better accuracy short and medium range, but a lower rate of fire, so it's unclear... If both are moving around back and forth, the STG44 will probably win :S.
At long range, it's an easy win for the sten due to equal accuracies and a better ROF on mandos..
It's really, rather wierd.

[Two]

The vet 3 assault bonus needs to work

[Sharpshooter824]

lolol aloha says ''i bet!'' the stormies would lose at vet 0 to vet 0 commandos, obviously meaning hes has absolutely no proof or game experience of this ever happening and is just making a biased statement to succeed in his crusade of claiming that all allied units are OP!

[CafeMilani]

try it out, you will see im right i think

[gamesguy2]

A full squad of commandos does 79.65 dps to infantry armor, 51 dps to heroic armor, 39.8dps to soldier armor, and has 390 hp and soldier armor(which is ignored by other smgs).

A squad of storms has 380 hp, and does 77.76 dps to commandos.

A squad of KCH has 285 hp, and does 58.32 dps to commandos, receiving 51 dps in return.  Its obvious here how they lose, as they barely outdps the commandos but the commandos have like 60% more hp.

A squad of assault grens has 220 hp, and does 77.76 dps to commandos.   Here the picture is not so clear.  The assault grens do nearly twice the dps to commandos but the commandos have nearly twice the hp.  

Any use of nades or smoke make the commandos win everything though.

[panzerjager1943]

Commandos should have 65x6 hp, 390, not 420.

[gamesguy2]

Commandos should have 65x6 hp, 390, not 420.

Yep you're right, I thought they had 70 for some reason.

Still doesnt change much.  But in a straight up fight with no smoke or nades mp44 storms should break even with them.  However storms cost as much as commandoes with nades, so in reality they will lose.

FSJ would be interesting, however they will just get naded the same as LMG grens.

[panzerjager1943]

Fallschirmjager can, and sometimes do, win. Assault Grenadiers can potentially -- but both units are short-range only, and so it becomes a matter of who's willing to charge forward and lose the fight, therefore often resulting in a stalemate.

[AmPM]

Whats even cooler is the comparative prices.

All in all, Axis assault infantry is getting itself raped in every fight with superior allied infantry.

[gamesguy2]

Fallschirmjager can, and sometimes do, win. Assault Grenadiers can potentially -- but both units are short-range only, and so it becomes a matter of who's willing to charge forward and lose the fight, therefore often resulting in a stalemate.

Not if the commandos use smoke to charge and throw a nade from smoke.

[Sharpshooter824]

Superior allied infantry? lol..  so far from it

[AmPM]

Actually yes, Commando/Ranger eat all Axis assault units for breakfast.

[gamesguy2]

Actually yes, Commando/Ranger eat all Axis assault units for breakfast.

I'm not so sure for rangers, storms with mp44 should be able to beat down rangers and KCH give a good accounting as well.   Rangers have to charge into close range, giving the mp44s a bit of time to do damage(mp44s outdps thompsons at medium and long).  Plus rangers cost a lot of munitions, 220 just for thompsons and zooks(which are mandatory), with nades its like 260.

I've seen LMG grens beat rangers that charge.  Although lucky zook hits will win it for the rangers, but its not something you can count on.

[jackmccrack]

Aren't 2 LMGs enough to hold Commandos/Thompsons back?

[RikiRude]

Actually yes, Commando/Ranger eat all Axis assault units for breakfast.

But MP40 volks beat thompson rangers we have come to find out 

[gamesguy2]

Aren't 2 LMGs enough to hold Commandos/Thompsons back?

No.  Commandos show up, pop smoke, nade the grenadiers sitting still with their LMGs, and then just win horribly.

[jackmccrack]

What if the LMG Grens scoot away?

[stumpster]

The problem in that 1v1 scenario is that because the LMG Grens must eventually stop to fire, the Commandos will catch them.  The only time that the LMG Grens can really do damage is when the Commandos are still on the approach, which is when you can easily just pop smoke and chase.