Commando's

[Guest]

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever

Login with username, password and session length

[Mysthalin]

Commandos wouldn't hurt by costing 7 popcap to field.
I mean, back in EiR Rangers used to cost that, why can't commandos for now?

[Bubz]

I have been wondering how much pop are stormies?

[Two]

5 pop for stormies


And i wouldnt mind 7 pop for mandos, would put my first callin up to 25 instead of 24 :O

[Bubz]

that should be definitely made 6 pop as other elite units I think.

[Dragon2008]

Storms r 5 pop but only field 4 men and thats because they have a cloak and the highest HP per man in the game.

[Mysthalin]

storms defo have to stay at 5 pop.

[Sharpshooter824]

How much pop is KCH? Is it 3 or 6 lol.. I cannot remember 

[Dragon2008]

6 same as the mando's and rangers

[Sharpshooter824]

ah well something that makes KCH different from both is the crazy huge suppression resistance they have and the fact that they obviously take 2 sniper shots to kill one member of the squad.. KCH can become a fresh squad again, just have to pop medkits because its so hard to kill each individual man of the squad 

[Malevolence]

The reason KCH are bad in retail are the same reason they're bad in this mod: they're fucking expensive. Gren squad with an LMG does ROUGHLY the same job for a cheaper cost, although with doctrinal abilities we might see a change in that.

[NightRain]

The reason KCH are bad in retail are the same reason they're bad in this mod: they're fucking expensive. Gren squad with an LMG does ROUGHLY the same job for a cheaper cost, although with doctrinal abilities we might see a change in that.

Haha only with Vet 3 above their heads they are darn tough nut to crack. Last day had a game vs my friend. Good luck trying to stop them with MGs, riflemen squad with bars and nades. No tanks used in that game. Hill 331 was captured quicker than it was built and prepared. Minefields, barbwire and tts and mortar covered all entrances XD but meah not enough HMGs I suppose. They are quite fine at their cost imo. Without vet they are quite dead that I might agree on.
Usually people just use KCH to straight frontal assault, put them in a clowncar and use them like americans use rangers, drop them off behind enemy line to cause havoc...their only problem is lack of AT but it ain't the hugest problem if enemy is caught offguard with such a strike, result is usually a tank call in but in that time you should've already cleaned enemy positions for steady AT support

[gamesguy2]

The reason why commandos are underpriced is simple, the smoke.

If you look at KCH, assault grens, FSJ, they cannot charge a bren squad or a bar rifle squad in an open field and win.   1v1 a bren squad will beat a KCH squad if the fight starts at long range and the bren squad press h and just shoot the kch the whole way.

This is also true for bar rifles, even more true if you take into account suppressive fire.  This reduces KCH/assault grens to how smg troops should be used, ambushing units around corners, flanking support weapons, etc.  KCH is supremely good at this because they have the high suppression resistance allowing them to skirt the edge of a MG's field of fire and get in range.

Storms with mp44s and commandos break this rule.   Both storms and commandos can charge brens/bars/LMGs from long range across an open field and win.  Storms can cloak and sneak in close, while commandos can just charge up and pop smoke. Rangers cannot do this.   Rangers using fireup charging LMGs is a suicide as they take fire the whole way in despite the increased speed and if fire up wears off before the fight is over they are really fucked.

Storms are balanced because they cost an arm and a leg, last time I checked they were 180? munitions for 4 mp44s.  

Commandos for some reason only cost 135 munitions.

I say decrease the cost of commandos to 100 munitions, make the smoke a seperate upgrade for 55 munitions, and decrease the cooldown on smoke by 60 seconds.   Remove the smoke cooldown bonus from vet, give them the same vet as storms/grens to compensate(if this is not already done).

[Two]

Is the concept of running backwards when smoke goes off that hard? They dont gain a speed buff so they will be at the exact same distance as when they hit smoke and then your sit in your cover turn around and pow you've won.

People seem to think that a single commando squad runs across a open field hits smoke and takes on the entire army and wins, they dont. Commandos go around the back kill some lone squads run away, and if theres a battle going on they will charge in since half teh time people dont change their target and the commandos up close along with whatever was shooting first is enough to kill whoever is right infront of them, but only those right infront of him

[Malevolence]

I say decrease the cost of commandos to 100 munitions, make the smoke a seperate upgrade for 55 munitions, and decrease the cooldown on smoke by 60 seconds.   Remove the smoke cooldown bonus from vet, give them the same vet as storms/grens to compensate(if this is not already done).

Something like this, if not exact. I'm not saying commandos are "rigged", but they are probably a bit strong for their cost compared to other similar units.

[CafeMilani]

ppl use smoke to charge.
but smoke should only be used to escape imo.

[brn4meplz]

Well smoke cna be used to charge also, it's just that Commando's go invisible and thats what allows them to rape because they fire while cloaked and cannot take any(direct) damage. If you've got tanks and shit nearby you can still ground attack but it's slow and not very effective.

[Mysthalin]

That's a myth burn, the second a commando guy shoots, he decloaks - they only aim in advance, which gives them the edge.

[CafeMilani]

smoke should only be used to escape --> they should get a malus like rangers or AB after fire-up when they used smoke ability. that would make ppl not to use them like now

[Two]

But its smoke, its not like rangers getting tired after sprinting at light speed.

[CafeMilani]

the malus should be stronger because smoke is more useful than fire-up imo.