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[Mysthalin]

Bravery (Riflemen are 10% suppression resistant)
Heavy Weapons (Riflemen can purchase single bazooka)
Bi Pods (Riflemen gain 5% more accuracy in light cover, 15% in heavy & 25% in garrison cover)
Tank Reapers (ATGs, Bazookas, stickies gain 33% penetration, 25% more accurate, 20% more damage)

Rifle + Bazooka rampage...

Because surely, a single bazooka per rifle squad that can now penetrate a skirted P4 44 percent of the time instead of 33 will be horribly OP.

[CafeMilani]

there are modifiers on zooks against p4s. u should know that
highly increased penetration and highly increased damage against p4s and other tanks

[Tymathee]

omg you brought back tank reapers but in a new cool way, sweet.

[Tymathee]

there are modifiers on zooks against p4s. u should know that
highly increased penetration and highly increased damage against p4s and other tanks

lol really? are you kidding? schecks penetrate nearly 100% of the time against all allied tanks, bazooka's bounce like half the time and on anything bigger than a p4, forget it, might as well not even try to hit the front armor, you really need to pick your fights when you wanna whien about being able to get a single bazooka.

[Unkn0wn]

I love patch day.

[nugnugx]

tym allies fanboi lol !

fact is that zooka > p4

[Tymathee]

tym allies fanboi lol !

fact is that zooka > p4

lmao zooks yeah > p4, so what? stug > zooks, panther > zooks, tiger > zooks

scheck > allied tanks

axis fanboi

[CafeMilani]

there are modifiers on zooks against p4s. u should know that
highly increased penetration and highly increased damage against p4s and other tanks

lol really? are you kidding? schecks penetrate nearly 100% of the time against all allied tanks, bazooka's bounce like half the time and on anything bigger than a p4, forget it, might as well not even try to hit the front armor, you really need to pick your fights when you wanna whien about being able to get a single bazooka.

yea that shows again ur knowledge of the game..funny

[Baine]

Ehm, just noticed.


Infantry Doctrine
 1 T4  - On-map howitzer (105mm Howitzer available for purchase)

another T4 - Artillery Fortification (On-map artillery fires 30% more shots, 15% less cooldown)

You can't choose two T4's so whats the deal here? One without the other won't be useful.


Oh and Armour Doctrine

Making Calliope and Dual Rocket Racks both a T1 is really bullshit sry. Make one of it or both a T2, if not even a T3.


Ok maybe im not getting it right here, but in Blitzkrieg Doctrine, Overwhelm and Overpower both are a T4, thus they can't both be purchased, still one is without the other useless.

[Mysthalin]

highly increased penetration and highly increased damage against p4s and other tanks

According to CoH stats :

Bazooka penetration :
L  1
M 1
S 1

Modifier vs P4 :
Skirted 0.337
Non-Skirted 0.449

From this we make out you're an absolute and utter retard and should refrain from ever posting again.


From CoH stats :

Panzershrek :

Penetration modifiers :
L 1
M 1
S 1

Penetration vs Sherman
0.878

Overall, the shrek will penetrate 88 shots out of 100. The bazooka will penetrate 45 shots out of 100.

Clearly, the bazooka is horribly Op and needs a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge nerf.

[salan]

baine i think you are reading it wrong.

the first 5 in the list is tier1
the second 5 in the list is tier2
the third 5 in the list is tier 3
the fourth 5 in the list is tier4

not the first entry in the first list is tier1
the second entry in the first list is tier2.. etc

[Baine]

Ah ok, yeah i guessed that. I'm still in the very old doctrine mentality

[Tymathee]

highly increased penetration and highly increased damage against p4s and other tanks

According to CoH stats :

Bazooka penetration :
L  1
M 1
S 1

Modifier vs P4 :
Skirted 0.337
Non-Skirted 0.449

From this we make out you're an absolute and utter retard and should refrain from ever posting again.


From CoH stats :

Panzershrek :

Penetration modifiers :
L 1
M 1
S 1

Penetration vs Sherman
0.878

Overall, the shrek will penetrate 88 shots out of 100. The bazooka will penetrate 45 shots out of 100.

Clearly, the bazooka is horribly Op and needs a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge nerf.

thank you myst. notice he isn't posting again.

[CafeMilani]

notice the damage modifier on all heavy tanks, especially p4
wasnt it 2? or 1.5? what now

[Tymathee]

notice the damage modifier on all heavy tanks, especially p4
wasnt it 2? or 1.5? what now

yes damage, but still low chance of penetration, so basically, you get a bonus for getting the shot but i'd rather have a much higher chance of getting a shot in, than more damage. RR's for example have high penetration but like the same damage as bazookas.

[CafeMilani]

u as an infantry player should know: zooks almost always penetrate an unskirted p4. if not, try it out and ull see im right

[Tymathee]

just to put  numbers out there to shut you up.

Bazooka

Damage 75
Accuracy LMS .35 .6 1.0

vs Axis Tanks Acc-Dmg-Pen w/s = with skirts

StuG 1-1-0.322
w/s 1-.75-0.249

P4 1-1.6-0.449 (dmg vs p4 120, same as scheck!)
w/s 1-1.2-0337 (dmg 90)

Panther 1.18-1.5-0.15 (dmg 112.5)
w/s 1-1.13-0.112 (dmg 84.75)

Tiger 1.35-1.5-0.185 (dmg 112.5)

Panzerschreck

Dmg 120
Acc LMS .35 .75 1.0

vs Allied Tanks Acc-Dmg-Pen

Sherman 1-1-0.878

M10 0.93-1-2.27

Pershing 1.08-1..459

so yeah...your whole argument is moot, where is this game changing bazooka, that at best will do the same damage to allied tanks as the lovely schreck. Where's the opness? Especially when I see dual schecks on the field all the time, zomg! that's 240 dmg on one platform, clearly my rifle with one 75 dmg zook and 100 dmg sticky will be too op for the axis tanks zomg!

[Mysthalin]

Don't forget shreks do 1.25 damage via close range splash. I'm not sure whether it affects every unit, but it definately affects the stuart, for instance.

[Tymathee]

yeah

[VariantThirteen]

German Steel (Tanks, KT excluded, have 25% more health, 15% less received penetration)

You're kidding, right? That's just made the doctrine have the worst countersynergy imaginable. . . Hell, that's the point of going KT - so you can strive to get German Steel on them.


Also, Commando Doctrine looks absolutely great. Love the commando sniper, been looking forward to something like that for ages.