very good balance atm

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[EIRRMod]

fldash was a god among men.  Me, I'm just an Idiot savant ;P

[Aggamemnon]

Well you are more than enough for me!

Mod is doing well at the minute, play can go a lot of ways with any side, which is usually a very good sign imo.

BigDick, get a clue please.

[BigDick]

play all 4 sides please

thx

[Killer344]

I do it, and while some factions have a small "edge" against others, it's nothing big.

[Aggamemnon]

I play 3 of the 4 at the moment, and like I already said, there are things on every faction that can push things and may seem to you unfair, but every side has something like that in it, balance is not just mirror matching or even rock, paper, scissors.

Which is why the mod right now is doing extremely well balance wise.

[Demon767]

I cant remeber where i saw this but someone posted a chart on what they thought from OP to UP and it went like this...

WM
CW
US
PE

Imo i dont think thats right, id rather vs 2 brits than 2 US, i know i can out mobile brits and kite all there infantry while my PAK cover the rear and Mortar killing AT guns. Anyone else share this same opinion?

I think its more like

WM
US
CW/PE

[BigDick]

i think its more

brit
us
wehr (not that far behind us)
pe

its all highly dependent of doctrines and company builds

[Computer991]

I play 3 of the 4 at the moment, and like I already said, there are things on every faction that can push things and may seem to you unfair, but every side has something like that in it, balance is not just mirror matching or even rock, paper, scissors.

Which is why the mod right now is doing extremely well balance wise.

QFT

[Killer344]

It's simply impressive how BigDick's feel about balance changes after some "time" on the same thread... he started with this:

immediately  when i saw the thread i thought it can not be more than irony

- tank shock
- button from buildings/vehicles...
- instant vickers mmg pin
- bren price
- creeping barrage
- mortar pit (plasma shield, semiauto heal...)
- firefly price
- staghound mg upgrade
- churchill/churchill croc pop and price
- some doctrine abilities

thats just starting with brits and all not balanced

i think its more

brit
us
wehr (not that far behind us)
pe

its all highly dependent of doctrines and company builds

And that was his last sentence...


Lol.

[Tymathee]

I cant remeber where i saw this but someone posted a chart on what they thought from OP to UP and it went like this...

WM
CW
US
PE

Imo i dont think thats right, id rather vs 2 brits than 2 US, i know i can out mobile brits and kite all there infantry while my PAK cover the rear and Mortar killing AT guns. Anyone else share this same opinion?

I think its more like

WM
US
CW/PE

No, i made a chart on EASE of play. Basically how simple it is to create a new company and start winner and it goes Wehr, CW, US, PE.

I in no way said whos the most OP, just what side starts out the best and is the easiest to pick up. WM and CW start strong with their original units and Tier 1 abilities, US and PE don't really catch up until you can field a lot of units with advantages and start getting the Tier 2 and Tier 3 stuff.

[BigDick]

where is the contradiction? i started counting all the op abilities and units of brits and they are on first place of my strongest faction list....


and sure each faction has doctrine builds that make them almost same strength as without doctrines....
or in other words they have some crap doctrin builds and some strong doctrin builds

but when you build your faction company by the imho best choices you will get imho my list

[Demon767]

ok well let me change what i see that game as.

from the hardest to easiest to play faction, WM being hardest.

[RubixCubed]

If anything wehrmacht is the easiest. If you take this into a 1v1 vcoh wehrmacht is probably the hardest. The only reasoning behind that is timing of when units come in and come out. Fast cromwell, m8, & times of elite infantry arrive just cripple Wehr. But.. lets look at late game Wehr which is considerable the most OVERPOWERED late game. Vet + T4 Weapon clearly outclass most other factions which is why they are Tier 4. In this mod, all tiers are clearly avaible so all the early game weaknesses of Wehrmacht are no longer there.

Of course, i'm taking in consideration of the MOD and how changes have been made. But with grenadier spam (fuck smokaz and his ideas) just makes it much more easier. 

[Smokaz]

Wehrmacht has the best mainline infantry -> Grenadiers
Wehrmacht has the best medium battle tank -> P4
Wehrmacht has the best supression tool -> Mg42
Wehrmacht has the cheapest detector and sniper-killer unit in EIRR -> Bike
Wehrmacht has the best in combat healing = Medikit
Wehrmacht has the best infantry based field defenses = 2 pop pioneer, Bunkers
Wehrmacht has the longest range non-doctrinal mortar = 81mm
Wehrmacht's Hans the sniper issues from vcoh in countersniping has been rectified through his vet.

The list can go on. Just because wehr has a lot of specialists, doesnt make them the hardest to play. I'd say the entire discussion is pointless and only leaves flaming as a product. What is to be gained from finding out which faction is "best"? So someone can take the higher ground and belittle others for playing a "easy" faction?

[Demon767]

Noooo argh you guys missed what i mean argh. WM is the hardest to PLAY AGAINST because they are so balanced with the best units available, damit im sorry wasting your time guys

[BigDick]

Wehrmacht has the best mainline infantry -> Grenadiers

tommis > grens
bren > lmg
shrek has no counterpart but is not cost effective

Wehrmacht has the best medium battle tank -> P4

75mm churchil > p4
sherman=p4 (sherman is more special upgun better vs tanks non upgun better vs infantry)

Wehrmacht has the best supression tool -> Mg42

vickers mmg with insta pin button > mg42
bar in many cases superior to mgs (mobillity and dont require thinking where to setup an hmg and how to bait something into it)
quad is imho > mg42 and easier to use too but more expensive

Wehrmacht has the best in combat healing = Medikit

downside is that its expensive
vet1 tommis with soldier armor and health regen dont need combat healing

Wehrmacht has the longest range non-doctrinal mortar = 81mm

and most expensive mortar
vet1 us mortar has the same range
but good that you said nondoctrinal because mortar pit (especially with supercharged >> 81mm mortar)

Wehrmacht's Hans the sniper issues from vcoh in countersniping has been rectified through his vet.

does not change that us sniper >> wehr sniper

The list can go on. Just because wehr has a lot of specialists, doesnt make them the hardest to play. I'd say the entire discussion is pointless and only leaves flaming as a product. What is to be gained from finding out which faction is "best"? So someone can take the higher ground and belittle others for playing a "easy" faction?

the hardest faction to play is imho pe because of all glasscannons
and it depends i think us and brit are more forgiving than wehr

[BradAnderson]

I want to hug you as if you were a fluffy white rabbit

Mod edit, Don't threaten people... seriously.

[Killer344]

Locked before it starts to get really nasty ;(.