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[puddin]

Even tho EIR mod and Bob said A pak 40 is not suppose to cloak, Killer claims cloaking is not an exploit unless its on the list, Even if someone knows better....  How i love this moderator.  Hes the best.  

Since he feels that way i say put him in charge of the list since he seems to care about it so much.  And if an exploit is known, but not on the list, i say he should be the one to search for em.

[Killer344]

Can't be enforced, for 90% of the normal people (who doesn't check the forums) it's just a feature. We didn't ban people when stickies could out-range tanks, this is the same.

Maybe... just wait until it's removed on the next patch?

I never said it's supposed to cloak btw.

[lionel23]

Yeah it can be enforced, it's called providing replays and catching people in the act.

[Killer344]

Yeah, catching people doing what pak38s always did normally, and they would also be supposed to believe you it's a bug in game or get banned because something is bugged.

[TheWindCriesMary]

Yeah it can be enforced, it's called providing replays and catching people in the act.

 He meant it would be irrational of the mod team to persecute something that they can't effectively inform 90% of the EIR playerbase about.

 It's the same approach they took with the sticky range bug. It was unintended, but not considered an exploit.

 Stop the tears honestly.

 -Wind

[lionel23]

It's called posting it into the NEWS section of the launcher that EVERY player sees, I don't see why you're so against posting and informing the playerbase about it when EIRRMOD himself said the pak 40 should not be cloaking.

[puddin]

Heres the thing killer

You justs aid its ntoan exploit unless its on the list. 

Is it intended? 

Is it suppose to get cloak?

Is it suppose to get ambush Bonus? 

Who has them? 

INform them... 

Just about everyone knows about it in the community becaiuse i have spoken up and not taken this shit lying down.

The fact that AMPM knows better and the fact that your a moderater and refuse to do ANYTHING about it is more infuriating then the actuall explaoit.

[Killer344]

"It should not be cloaking" doesn't translate into "ban people who uses it". And no, I doubt anyone in his right mind would use a news page to advertise bugs lol, we've been gone trough far more game breaking bugs without sweat than this one without needing it.

[TheWindCriesMary]

 I don't know why you guys keep harping on the point that killer doesn't agree the pak40 was not intended to cloak. HE KNOWS IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO CLOAK. What he is saying is that using the cloak until it's fixed is not bannable or a crime. You guys are seriously like broken records, harping on the same point that NO ONE DISAGREES WITH like you've uncovered some secret that no one else has figured out.

 Honestly, everyone knows now the pak40 was not intended to cloak. The Dev team is aware of the oversight and is going to fix it quickly. This does not mean, however, that people who use the cloak are "exploiting". How do I know this? Because I argued that people who used the sticky range bug were exploiting till I was blue in the face, until I realized the dev team's position on these kinds of things.

 What Killer is explaining is that the dev team does not always consider using unintended effects as exploits. When sticky range doctrine abilities were causing unintended effects, for example, it was not considered an exploit. Why? Because the integrity of prosecuting something that was not the players fault, especially when large portions of the player base would be unaware the effect is unintended, is highly suspect and easily compromised.

 And no, every player does not see or even read the front page. IT would certainly reach many players, but not all. And because it wouldn't reach all, it casts doubt on the jurisprudence of prosecuting it.

 It's basic logic really.

 -Wind

[lionel23]

Well on the sticky bomb thing, people thought I was exploiting when I had my T3 Grenade Experts unlocked, so they got mad at me using long range stickies when I had the ability, even when it was 'fixed' and people accused me of it still being broken.

If the pak is so broken then, and this is clearly too hard for Killer or anyone to enforce, remove the units like how Sherman Jumbos and all those units were locked even though reward points went out because they were so game changingly broken. Could something like that not be done to temporarily limit the pak40s going out and being abused with cloak.

Vent, webpage, and Launcher are all means of reaching the playerbase.  All players HAVE to use the webpage just to even register a company, all players SEE the launcher for announcements and also along the scrolling bar, and a good majority of active players use vent and see the announcements window that pops up when first connecting.  There is simply no reason to not even try informing the base because you feel like you don't want to tell people so you or anyone else could exploit that.

[Killer344]

They got locked because anyone could use them (and had 70 range), atm only 4 players are allowed to use Pak40s, and they are on limited uses as well, so it's kinda different.

[TheWindCriesMary]

 As far as I know the devs are using balance information from these reward units to influence their discussion on them. Their slight unintended features dont appear to seem as dramatic enough to them to warrant some kind of emergency action. Frankly I have to agree with them.

 In terms of trying to contact the playerbase, the above still holds true. An all out blitz to try and contact every person who plays a game in a given week over what is a way smaller bug than most? The dual mortar firing thing is more game-changing and both sides have benefitted from it.

 Not to mention even if you tried everything you just mention you still wouldn't reach most players. Because tons of people who play rarely check the webpage once they make their company and the launcher is not the place for bug reports.

 -Wind

[puddin]

again if 4 peopel have pak 40s how hard is it to say, Come see this page and confirm youve read it before you recieve your reward points? 

Your sayign its to diificult to say... Hmmm The 4 ppl have acess to a unit and its impossible to police? 

Again its NOT SUPPOSE TO.  So wheres the integrity? 

If its not suppose to i am not askign for a ban... I said its an exploiut, I don;t take kindly to cheaters.   I don;t know of an honest player who does... 

What i am askign is that if people Abuse the reward units, Take them away... How hard is that to do with 4 mother fuckign people?  But then again

I mgiht be askign to much to have a good game without having to worry about people claiming ignorance and again ignoring the rules. 

He knew it wasn;t suppose to he told me so then he changed his story because he knew better and got caught tellign me it wasn;t suppose to and it was so fun 2 shooting my rtanks and my vet... 

But i digress.. It appreas policeing 1 unit to 4 people and askign for someone to actually play with integrity is to much even in a campaign set up to help the community... bad pUddin!!! BAD!!!!

[brn4meplz]

It's not that it's overly difficult, it's part of the process. We know it isn't supposed cloak or ambush and that's being fixed for the next patch.  There are countless examples in EiR's history of exploitable bugs being listed as exploits, and countless examples of them not being. It's being fixed shortly and I'm sure you can manage to avoid playing with the (actually less then 4 player as I have at least 1 account with them)  or trying to avoid deploying tanks against them.

[CafeMilani]

shut up puddin

[bbsmith]

Alright enough of this. People need to chill.