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Smokaz Offline

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Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« on: July 09, 2012, 09:55:07 am »

2 shots!

Hvap hellcat vs puma!

4 shots!

= Balance!


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skaffa Offline

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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 10:40:20 am »

Reminds me of standard 88 1 shotting HTs Quads and GMC!


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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 10:46:06 am »

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DarkSoldierX Offline

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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 10:56:51 am »

Quote from: Smokaz on July 09, 2012, 09:55:07 am

2 shots!

Hvap hellcat vs puma!

4 shots!

= Balance!

You forgot that hellcat does 25% more damage to pretty much everything on tracks that isnt a puma.

While a panther gets no damage bonus. And also takes a second longer to reload.


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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 05:00:26 am »

pssst - the 25% extra damage vs tracked vehicles only brings the hellcat to panther-like damage.


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hans

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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 06:15:16 am »

well isnt this comparison only working if puma and m8 are the same units?


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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 10:24:58 am »

Hvap is pretty much useless still going to penetrate with the HC or m10.


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DarkSoldierX Offline

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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2012, 11:14:15 am »

Quote from: Mysthalin on July 10, 2012, 05:00:26 am

pssst - the 25% extra damage vs tracked vehicles only brings the hellcat to panther-like damage.

And also gives it higher DPS than a panther


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Mysthalin Offline

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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2012, 11:20:44 am »

Upgun hotchkisses have higher DPS than a panther


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DarkSoldierX Offline

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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 11:23:00 am »

Quote from: Mysthalin on July 10, 2012, 11:20:44 am

Upgun hotchkisses have higher DPS than a panther

And they dont exactly pen as well as a m18. Even though they fight lesser tanks.

Edit: Oh and I forgot to mention how the axis tends to rely quite a bit more on tanks then most allied coys currently.


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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2012, 11:36:03 am »

Espacially if your first short comes out of ambush:
112.5 damage (basic damage of the gun) x 1.35 (Panther target table modifier from a HVAPed Hellcat) x 1.5 (ambush strike modifier) = 227 damage.

A veterancy three M18 Hellcat would deal 273*(+20% Damage) and if the HVAP ambush strike bonus would work it
would be 341* damage. (+25% Damage).

Holy Crap. Shocked

*Out of ambush with the first shot.


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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2012, 11:44:13 am »

The ambush has a 5 sec delay now. Its a bit too long imo. Make it 3 seconds or so.

Now you really have to camp somewhere and hope somebody drives by.

If you make the time shorter you can scout with a Jeep and adapt to incoming tanks by quickly going into ambush.


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Smokaz Offline

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Re: Defensive/Heatround panther vs m8

« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2012, 12:03:25 pm »

Quote from: skaffa on July 10, 2012, 11:44:13 am

"Now you really have to camp somewhere and hope somebody drives by."

Which considering ambush shaves 1/3 out of a tiger without fail now, is how it should work?

Let's buff hetzer ambush (2 x dmg needed at least imo Tongue