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Author Topic: Scary WW2 tanks that I really want to see in CoH =D  (Read 16552 times)
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Ciwawa Offline
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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2008, 06:33:48 pm »

so what that bomb was??? a v3 rocket? i really want to know  Undecided
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DerangedFerret Offline
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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2008, 06:50:58 pm »

V3 were massive artillery fortifications aimed at Britain. They were never completed, though, but destroyed by paratroopers while under construction.
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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2008, 06:59:49 pm »

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If you compare the t-34 and the Sherman in the late war, the T-34 is faster, better off crosscountry, better gun, better armor (taking slope into effect) and is easier to produce.

The T-34 was the BEST tank produced during WW2 if you take the battlefield performance and logistical difficulty into consideration.
The t-34's gun wasn't better (early gun comparable to 75mm, later gun comparable to 76mm), the sherman had some slope and significantly thicker + higher quality armor (especially modernized Shermans), and there were significant useability issues with the t34 such as lack of radios.  There's certainly an argument to be made that the t-34 was better than the sherman and perhaps the most important tank of the war,  but the answer is not clear.  I suggest reading this interview with a Russian sherman commander.
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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2008, 11:20:51 am »

The Deut produced in norway wasn't enuff for a bomb, it was enuff for ONE reactor, and you need several.
The heavy water they sunk on that ferry 4 exsample was for a civil project.
As I stated, german scientists did know it would take years to finish such an ambitious project as a nuclear bomb, and it was decided to research on that topic later on.
And they were right, not even the Americans were able to finish before germany surrendered.
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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2008, 01:34:23 pm »

so what that bomb was??? a v3 rocket? i really want to know  Undecided

No it was von burans V4. but this was only in the planning stages, and never would see the light of day. o yes he went over to the americans in the final days of the war and is resposible for almost all of americas cold war rocketry.

the v4 could cary its palode across the alantic and even reach earth orbit. hitler put a huge amout of funding into this as he relised such a power would win him the war, and combined with other reserch (his version of the atomic bomb) would pave the wey clear for germnys victory
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GammaCommander Offline
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« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2008, 01:41:34 pm »

No it was von burans V4. but this was only in the planning stages, and never would see the light of day. o yes he went over to the americans in the final days of the war and is resposible for almost all of americas cold war rocketry.

the v4 could cary its palode across the alantic and even reach earth orbit. hitler put a huge amout of funding into this as he relised such a power would win him the war, and combined with other reserch (his version of the atomic bomb) would pave the wey clear for germnys victory

No way, that kind of bomb would not win Hitler the war unless it carried an atomic payload. In fact, it would seal Nazi Germany's fate due to the enormous funding require to develop such a bomb. It'll be nothing more than a crude cruise missile. Hitler would have to build an enormous quantity of V4s if he ever wanted to win the war with them.

Also, I'm curious what you mean by, "His version of the atomic bomb." As far as I'm concern, there's no other weapon developed during WW2 that would deliver a payload that is on par with the atomic bomb.
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Ciwawa Offline
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« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2008, 01:42:33 pm »

for the guy that sayed russian tanker where high school people:

Is a liar, as you can see the t34 drive system is like an harvster so it more simple to learn how to drive them for peasant than for high school people that haven't done anything in theyr lives but just studying

High education people were the field commisar that shooted in the back at theyr own troops
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GammaCommander Offline
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« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2008, 01:56:47 pm »

for the guy that sayed russian tanker where high school people:

Is a liar, as you can see the t34 drive system is like an harvster so it more simple to learn how to drive them for peasant than for high school people that haven't done anything in theyr lives but just studying

High education people were the field commisar that shooted in the back at theyr own troops

That still doesn't invalid the fact that the Russians clearly choice people with a decent level of education to be tankers.

Also, if all it takes is to be a high school graduate to be a Commissar, then you must be shitting me. That's like saying at least 40% (40% because 50% are females) of everyone that graduated high school will be officers. In that case, we'll probably have way too many Commissars and not enough conscripts to throw at the MGs.

Here let me demonstrate what I mean.

Large population. Peasant/Farmer = Conscripts
Medium population. High School educated = Tankers
Low population. College/University educated = Officers/Commissars
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Ciwawa Offline
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« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2008, 02:04:19 pm »

Be friend of a politician in old russia is best then all diploma so i'm quite sure they wasn't all high school people.

and for the tanker grade give me proof  Tongue

I think you are right on tank commander they must be high skilled people
But not the driver they only have to go where the commander say
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muha1 Offline
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« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2008, 04:41:17 pm »

Whats up with this thread? Nobody freaking cares how smart the tankers were, the fact remains that the T-34 was the best tank in WW2, it had the best overwall performance. The KT and Tiger hade severe technical issues.

The sherman might have had much thicker armour, but the T-34 deflected shots, whitch is alot better than truying to absorb them.

And stop thinking that the russians had only peasants, and that they threw all of their soldiers into minefileds and MG nests. The guys who did that were the "shtraffbat" division/company, they were all inmates forced into service. Thats why they got shot when retreating/routing.
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Ciwawa Offline
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« Reply #50 on: April 20, 2008, 04:53:16 pm »

no they where shot when retreting bicause stalin want to win at all cost no matter of how many blood was trow away
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muha Offline
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« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2008, 05:05:35 pm »

no they where shot when retreting bicause stalin want to win at all cost no matter of how many blood was trow away

Screenshot, or I didnt happen. You do not know for a fact what stalin wanted. I do..I studied that crap.

I dont even know were you are getting your ideas from  Undecided .
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Ciwawa Offline
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« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2008, 05:11:44 pm »

no they where shot when retreting bicause stalin want to win at all cost no matter of how many blood was trow away

Screenshot, or I didnt happen. You do not know for a fact what stalin wanted. I do..I studied that crap.

I dont even know were you are getting your ideas from  Undecided .

history books, documentary.

Hitler and stalin both wanted stalingrad stalingrad haven't more any strategical purpose a city in rubble without any utility.
Stalin want to keep it because that was stalingrad and was a symbol of him power.
Hitler wanted it to yell at stalin "STFU NOOB I PWNED YOU".
Stalin trowed his man to blind charge and sure death.
Hitler lost the whole 7 army because he refused to gave them the permission to retreat and ope an hole in the russian encirclement
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GammaCommander Offline
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« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2008, 05:17:16 pm »

Whats up with this thread? Nobody freaking cares how smart the tankers were, the fact remains that the T-34 was the best tank in WW2, it had the best overwall performance. The KT and Tiger hade severe technical issues.

The sherman might have had much thicker armour, but the T-34 deflected shots, whitch is alot better than truying to absorb them.

And stop thinking that the russians had only peasants, and that they threw all of their soldiers into minefileds and MG nests. The guys who did that were the "shtraffbat" division/company, they were all inmates forced into service. Thats why they got shot when retreating/routing.

The T-34 was a good tank, no denying that, but I would say it's roughly on par with the Sherman. Both tanks their disadvantages and strong points. Shoe's link to the interview of a Russian Sherman Commander gives alot of insight and plus, it's a good read.

@Ciwawa I know for sure tankers were taken from people who had a decent amount of education. I can't remember where I read/heard it. Since you're asking for a source, give me a source that specifically states that the majority of Russian tankers were taken from conscripted farmers.
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Ciwawa Offline
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« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2008, 05:27:29 pm »

Whats up with this thread? Nobody freaking cares how smart the tankers were, the fact remains that the T-34 was the best tank in WW2, it had the best overwall performance. The KT and Tiger hade severe technical issues.

The sherman might have had much thicker armour, but the T-34 deflected shots, whitch is alot better than truying to absorb them.

And stop thinking that the russians had only peasants, and that they threw all of their soldiers into minefileds and MG nests. The guys who did that were the "shtraffbat" division/company, they were all inmates forced into service. Thats why they got shot when retreating/routing.

The T-34 was a good tank, no denying that, but I would say it's roughly on par with the Sherman. Both tanks their disadvantages and strong points. Shoe's link to the interview of a Russian Sherman Commander gives alot of insight and plus, it's a good read.

@Ciwawa I know for sure tankers were taken from people who had a decent amount of education. I can't remember where I read/heard it. Since you're asking for a source, give me a source that specifically states that the majority of Russian tankers were taken from conscripted farmers.

Once again you are confusing i'm saying tank drivers not tank commander, gun loader, aimer remember that a tank crew is formed from 3-4 people.

In case of a british tank i don't rember wich righ now but a british one even 7 crew member lol
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