EliteGren
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« on: July 11, 2009, 05:40:57 pm » |
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Seriously this is just shitty, a T3 that gives the same bonuses as advanced warning (T1) and a measly 10% more accuracy? Thats just beneath contempt.
The one good thing about the scopes from vEiR was the range increase they gave, but why it got removed is beyond me.
I suggest the sight increase gets replaced with the range increase again or the accuracy bonus to be made a little better.
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| crimsonrabbit
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 05:54:37 pm » |
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Or perhaps replace it w/ G43 upgrades are purchasable for grenadiers.
Technically that is a 10 percent upgrade along w/ a better rate of fire because G43 has 10 percent better accuracy than the Kar.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 05:57:23 pm » |
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Or perhaps replace it w/ G43 upgrades are purchasable for grenadiers.
Technically that is a 10 percent upgrade along w/ a better rate of fire because G43 has 10 percent better accuracy than the Kar.
That would be the most worthless upgrade ever. Grenadier K98s are nearly as good as G43s already. |
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 06:51:40 pm » |
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im pretty sure its designed as a watered down version of the Allies M1 carbine T4 in a way. I'd say make it Sight +7 or so, Range +5 and accuracy +15%. Remember with the sight upgrade volks can spot really well for p4s and that and they can see MGs a mile away, and the range and accuracy will help them a bit too.
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Illegal_Carrot
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 07:52:09 pm » |
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im pretty sure its designed as a watered down version of the Allies M1 carbine T4 in a way. I'd say make it Sight +7 or so, Range +5 and accuracy +15%. Remember with the sight upgrade volks can spot really well for p4s and that and they can see MGs a mile away, and the range and accuracy will help them a bit too.
My only problem with this is that a (super-cheap) Bike can accomplish these just as easy, and I can save myself a T3 to unlock something better. The same thing with Omniscience and Advanced Warning: if it's only going to affect infantry, it's going to have to be very good to either A) be worth taking, rather than taking a Bike + saving a tier unlock, or B) be worth taking over other unlocks in that same tier. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2009, 10:39:00 pm » |
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Def is overall pretty terrible.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2009, 10:49:27 pm » |
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+7 sight(which would be +20 percent) would stack nicely with advanced warning for 46.2 total sight range.
Stack THAT up with omniscience. Your infantry have just become bikes, congratulations.
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Killer344
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2009, 11:35:38 pm » |
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It doesn't stack with omniscience..
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2009, 11:39:00 pm » |
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Doesn't it?
Still +7 sight is pretty damn much.
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Killer344
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2009, 11:40:08 pm » |
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For a t3? rofl.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2009, 11:45:24 pm » |
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a 20 percent buff to sight range, on top of the other buffs he's offering?
20 percent sight,
14 percent range,
15 extra accuracy.
Better than their T4 Fatherland Defense, tbfh.
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Killer344
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2009, 01:13:09 am » |
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wait, wtf are you talking about?
Advanced warning has nothing to do with scopes.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2009, 03:10:56 am » |
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My only problem with this is that a (super-cheap) Bike can accomplish these just as easy, and I can save myself a T3 to unlock something better.
The same thing with Omniscience and Advanced Warning: if it's only going to affect infantry, it's going to have to be very good to either A) be worth taking, rather than taking a Bike + saving a tier unlock, or B) be worth taking over other unlocks in that same tier.
Basically sums up my view on most airborne choices (besides the strafing run tree). T3 and T4, and they effect only 8-12 units (a single type of special infantry and sometimes the AB ATG). Compared to hard and fast (T2), which is Rifles AND Airborne. +10% accuracy across all infantry seems pretty decent compared to some other doctrines upgrades. |
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| EliteGren
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2009, 03:38:57 am » |
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+10% accuracy across all infantry Its not even all infantry, just Grens and volks. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2009, 12:00:11 pm » |
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Advanced Warning and Omniscience need to go back to affecting all units, and Scopes needs to give much better buffs.
AW and Scopes should stack with each other, but neither should stack with Omni.
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2009, 04:20:41 pm » |
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Seriously this is just shitty, a T3 that gives the same bonuses as advanced warning (T1) and a measly 10% more accuracy? Thats just beneath contempt.
The one good thing about the scopes from vEiR was the range increase they gave, but why it got removed is beyond me.
I suggest the sight increase gets replaced with the range increase again or the accuracy bonus to be made a little better.
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2009, 02:34:24 pm » |
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We know, will be fixed sooner or later.
(Both Scopes and Omniscience)
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Illegal_Carrot
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2009, 02:48:31 pm » |
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(Both Scopes and Omniscience)
Huzzah, Def might not suck anymore. |
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