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[Smokaz]

You know, I just wanna point out one thing. It's a freaking nightmare to start and play new accounts. You're facing a snowball effect of the other players having doctrine abilities while your most BASIC doctrine stuff needs to be unlocked. Its particulary painful for americans because they can't even field healing or their elite infantry with their doctrinal stuff.

I've made a new infantry account as americans, and what the fuck am I supposed to do against people with cloaked stugs, non-doctrinal healing (wehr) etc. I could go into length about it but it's obvious if you have played EIRR for some time. Some of the wehrmacht and PE units like pumas, panthers, armored cars etc are too powerful when spammed when americans don't have access to some of their integral counters. With armor its fine because you get similarily strong options, but having airborne and infantry start out without their elites just isn't right.

Before you could start a new british, PE account whatever and have some of the endgame company units could already start to gain xp, like wirbelwinds, fallschirms, airborne, grenadiers, stormtroopers. It was meaningful, you'd lose a few games but at least you were gaining vet for your later company. Now theres absolutely ZERO motivation in those first crucial games in this war. You know they are going to be hell if you are playing american or british since you don't get commandos or airborne. There's no flavor just pain.

Summed up:
- Some of the doctrinal stuff needs to be available from the getgo, to not make those first games so extremely meaningless and painful. I am especially thinking of stuff like: airborne for AB doctrine, rangers and triage for infantry, commandos for commando, stormies for blitz, fsj for luft
- This allows new accounts to give some motivation for new players instead of being some rape zone before you get your toys
- new players facing all kinds of crap with nothing they know from vcoh is just bad

No doctrines should start out similar to the others. There should always be 1 unit that differs at least.

IN addition I also think that the PP prices for buying abilities are prohibtively high. Having less time to play EIRR, I find myself siding more with the casuals on this. It shouldnt take 10 games just to scratch up a half decent almost competitive company, especially considering some of the bull new players and people with new accounts have to go through.

[EIRRMod]

Smokaz, the current method of PP gain will not remain, leveling will - but not in the same way.

Im pretty sure ite been brought up before, and I have answered before - that grind is not a wanted part ;p  A gradual progression is however.

[EIRRMod]

In fact, I think the first change suggested by BoB was that you begin with access to both the tier 1 unlocks and passives, with enough PP to buy one (25) on a new account.

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=13569.0

The reason for that, is so that you can, if you want.

[Smokaz]

Yeah i just wanted to get this out there, cause I've heard from gamesguy bob and elite and some other people including myself :p that there's some commotion about it, and wondered what the rest of the community thinks about it.

[RikiRude]

i like the idea of starting off with PPs to get basic stuff, sounds awesome. you could either spend it on early things, or save it when you level up and already have that PP to get stuff.

[smurfORnot]

Some of the wehrmacht and PE units like pumas, panthers, armored cars etc are too powerful when spammed when americans don't have access to some of their integral counters.

strange,because I dont see wehr and PE spamming armored cars and pumas,but I see alot of t17,stag etc. spam...

[MonthlyMayhem]

Some of the wehrmacht and PE units like pumas, panthers, armored cars etc are too powerful when spammed when americans don't have access to some of their integral counters.

strange,because I dont see wehr and PE spamming armored cars and pumas,but I see alot of t17,stag etc. spam...

I see AC and Puma spam!

[smurfORnot]

could try it,but don't see it doing too much with all those 57 and t17... stuff on the field who are gonna kill it fast...

[CrazyWR]

Some of the wehrmacht and PE units like pumas, panthers, armored cars etc are too powerful when spammed when americans don't have access to some of their integral counters.

strange,because I dont see wehr and PE spamming armored cars and pumas,but I see alot of t17,stag etc. spam...

I would love to know who is 'spamming' t17s and stags.  I have yet to see anyone cry spam from either one of those units in games I have played in since the latest reset.  I have seen games with 6-8 pumas/ACs between the two or three axis players, but that isn't spam IMO.  You have to realize that just because you may see 3 t17s or stags from one player, that is not spam anymore than 4 p4s from a wehr player is spam.

[Mysthalin]

What I see is stugs. That's because I love stugs.

[Rudy-sanErik]

strange,because I dont see wehr and PE spamming armored cars and pumas,but I see alot of t17,stag etc. spam...

+1
i see spam stags,t17 and m10 many times ....

I see AC and Puma spam!

maby you see but puma die much faster like stag and t17 and dont doo big mess like his ally brothers ...

To Gren: ok sorry

[EliteGren]

Stay ontopic.