Serious Abuse of Supply Drop System

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[Tymathee]

This is a game breaker. He was able to use those grens to stop a lot of tanks incoming to take out his light vehicles.

He dropped two drops, picked up the schrecks and just used sprint and shoot the home game with one squad. Just watch the videos.

I'm not even going to say who's playing, just watch crimsonduck with his vet 3 grens with sprint and 3 schrecks, 2 of which he gets from supply drops.

Here's a video of his start on defense when he drops 'em.

Just take at weapons out of it, simple enough. Or heck, drop an AI weapon, let a g43 drop for the luft, brens, bars, lmg's etc. But not AT. It's too easily exploitable.

Video - http://www.xfire.com/video/d50f9/
Replay Files - http://files.filefront.com/playbackzip/;13907369;/fileinfo.html

[Latios418]

Supply Drops are already getting nerfed anyways, because of people whining about the support weapons (and rightfully so, <200 manpower for an mg/mortar wheres you normally have to pay out the ass for them).

[Tymathee]

Supply Drops are already getting nerfed anyways, because of people whining about the support weapons (and rightfully so, <200 manpower for an mg/mortar wheres you normally have to pay out the ass for them).

well yeah. They really do. When you're able to get 3 schrecks on one player, drop two drops on defense and start off with a possible 3 mortars on defense? it's just insane.

Did you watch the video? I know it's short. I didn't want to go into more of it and show how many tanks it killed but look at his gren on the leaderboard and you can see he's been doing this fora while.

653 XP for one PzGren Tank Buster Squad is just stupid.

[Latios418]

yeah I watched the video. It's really tempting to go make a luftwaffe company and abuse it while it lasts just to see how far up the leaderboard I can get a squad.

[AmPM]

Huh? Its a 4 schrek squad. Wooo?

I'd be more worried about 2 extra HMGs and 2 Mortars.

[Tymathee]

Huh? Its a 4 schrek squad. Wooo?

I'd be more worried about 2 extra HMGs and 2 Mortars.

watch the replay and watch how he uses it. He used it well i give him that, but it wouldn't be that good if he wasn't able to get the extra shrecks.

I could'nt bring any armor to take out his mortar ht's and iht's and my m10's, and m18[s just got chewed up

[gamesguy2]

Strafe it.

In the end, its still just a PG squad.    There's a very good chance you can wipe it out with one strafe.

[AmPM]

Huh? Its a 4 schrek squad. Wooo?

I'd be more worried about 2 extra HMGs and 2 Mortars.

watch the replay and watch how he uses it. He used it well i give him that, but it wouldn't be that good if he wasn't able to get the extra shrecks.

I could'nt bring any armor to take out his mortar ht's and iht's and my m10's, and m18[s just got chewed up

See, the problem comes to this, you were using vehicles, with light armor, and terrible damage vs infantry, to kill a 4 schrek squad =)

[Latios418]

Strafe it.

In the end, its still just a Vet 3 PG squad.    There's a very bad chance you can wipe it out with one strafe.

Fix'd for accuracy.

See, the problem comes to this, you were using vehicles, with light armor, and terrible damage vs infantry, to kill a 4 schrek squad =)

"I could'nt bring any armor to take out his mortar ht's and iht's and my m10's, and m18[s just got chewed up"

I was not aware that shreck squad is synonymous with MHTs and IHTs.

[Pak88mm]

lol abuse! hahaha its never abuse. get used to it. Smurfs love it cuz it gives em at least 2 drops each. His tank busters are double schreck so dont go ape shit on em for having that much xp when i had 500xp double schreck stormies that were shittier in terms of staying power. You are going to get this with new player teaming with veterans. What else do you expect. As far as doctrines go only luft and i think airborne get drops and that shouldnt be nerfed since its doc specific.

Knowing you you kept charging tanks into his schrecks with no infantry support. You think tank busters can rape infantry too? sheessh cmon man i dont have to watch the replay to know how foolish you throw tanks into the grinder.

[Latios418]

Psst, there's a t1 doctrine ability that gives Supply Drops.

You think tank busters can rape infantry too?

When only four of your pop is taken up in a single unit that's going to completely dominate all vehicles that come near it, you don't NEED to have it rape infantry. You have 19+ pop left to do that.

[CommanderHolt]

Uh...... Where's the battle files? 

[Pak88mm]

Psst, there's a t1 doctrine ability that gives Supply Drops.

You think tank busters can rape infantry too?

When only four of your pop is taken up in a single unit that's going to completely dominate all vehicles that come near it, you don't NEED to have it rape infantry. You have 19+ pop left to do that.

god forbid theres snipers, quads and bar suppression. OH lord!

[Latios418]

I'm not entirely sure what your point is...

[crimsonrobbit]

Next time Tym i will throw rocks at your tanks
happy?

[Malgoroth]

This is why the balance forum fails... Someone gets beat by something they aren't used to countering so immediately they go to the forums and rant and rave about how lame whatever it is which kicked their ass was.

Supply drops (the way crimson used them) are fine. With that much AT on an infantry unit, anything other than vehicles is free to whoop their ass. Vanilla engineers could have killed them if you could get close enough.  

 

[gamesguy2]

Are you kidding?  Supply drop is by far the most OP doctrine ability in the game, especially for a tier 1.

The devs are already aware of this and it will be replaced once they finish the doctrines, its just a placeholder atm.

What other tier 1 ability gives you about 1000 manpower and 350 munitions of units for free?

[Latios418]

Supply drops (the way crimson used them) are fine. With that much AT on an infantry unit, anything other than vehicles is free to whoop their ass. Vanilla engineers could have killed them if you could get close enough.

I think you're missing the part where he can cram 12 pops worth of anti-tank into 4 pop, leaving him free for all the anti-infantry he wants.

[Malgoroth]

Yes. ONE unit. One very fragile, slow, unit.

[Latios418]

I think you're also missing the part where one of his anti-infantry assets completly counteracted any chance of Tankbusters being fragile or slow. Not that vet 3 tankbusters are fragile OR slow in the first place.