Giving the brits a super heavy tank

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[Baine]

You don't want us to post about ideas, or opinions, you want others to post


"YES GOOD IDEA /SIGNED"


Well, then there you go, i won't post in here, as i mostly play axis and have no clue about british tank effectiveness.
You should have written that more clearly in your original post "Allied players only!".
Have fun discussing  

[Latios418]

nvm

[Sharpshooter824]

Yes the brits have the Tortiose tank..but since they would have to create a whole new unit for that.. I decided against that and instead went with a M26 pershing..considering the SUPER PERSHING never saw action but is in EIR why not give the regular pershing to brits too considering they purchased several but didn't see action

and baine, what I want is to discuss the topic, not about AVREs,

The only reason I chose RE was because I wanted to see what the Boys AT rifle was like rofl, other then that I wouldn't of chose this doctrine because none of the abilities compare to commandos or royal arty

[EliteGren]

The Super Pershing saw combat, even killed a King Tiger in the last days.
So dont make false claims.
And RE got the Croc, they were originally designed to be an emplacement doctrine.

[Sharpshooter824]

lolol an emplacement doctrine yes they were orignally designed for that but now?, Royal arty gets the mortar pit and 25pndr, and the vickers MG nest is common, Royal engineers gets a 17pndr and bofors

What I would like to see is Royal Engineers become more of an armor doctrine then a mix between emplacements, some minor tank buffs, and some very minor infantry buffs.

@ EliteGren, ah sorry didn't realize it actually saw 10 days of combat..must've misread somewhere

[Hydro]

Churchill black prince and it would be quite balanced

[Sharpshooter824]

hmm ima google that hydro   not sure what the one is

Oh wow, that is awesome...just give a 17pndr to the churchhill, (maybe less range then what the firefly has) add a tiny bit more HP to it, reskin it, maybe adjust the 17pndr so it doesn't all out fail VS infy and you've got yourself a Churchhill Black Prince heh 

[Sharpshooter824]

Alright so let me change this from a pershing to a ''Churchill Black Prince''

A reskinned churchill with slightly better armor and HP, a 17pndr with as much range as a regular churchhill would have (If possible..), somehow adjust it so it doesn't completely fail against infantry either.. and you've got a British Super Heavy Tank! 

[Falcon333]

But the reskinned churchill would show a 6pdr gun.

[Sharpshooter824]

oh well?   

[Osprey]

Personally, I don't like the idea of a super-heavy tank for the Brits.

For one, it goes against British army doctrine in tank design, which as you may have noticed, was that of an infantry support role, while the Wehrmacht went for an armour engagement role. The British army counters tanks with artillery, field guns and air-ground attack, while the Germans engage tanks with heavier tanks. This is why the Churchill's top speed isn't much better than infantry jogging speed.

I would honestly refute the idea that RE are a tankers doctrine, where they seem to me to be far more of a defensive doctrine equivalent for the allies. The main difference is that they get access to Churchill variants to represent their role as defence breakers (Heavy tanks, Petard Mortars, Long-range Flame-throwers). I made the mistake of trying to use the doctrine as an infantry build, when in reality it is the pinnacle of a combined arms force, from infantry to specialist tanks. The Royal Artillery are the infantry company, with the infantry doctrines and the indirect fire support to assist that. The Commandos are the elite infiltration force, with Tetrarchs and Commandos to drop in and hit the enemy in the vulnerable areas from behind.

The Royal Engineers don't need more units, they need better co-ordination and support from allies on the field, and perhaps a couple of special abilities (Blitz/Field Repairs/V1 type stuff) so that when they are unable to relocate to an area fast enough to assist, the can provide some form of indirect support. Although I would certainly advocate making the vanilla Churchill better without the need to buy a T2 doctrine to make it a worthy vehicle. Two doctrine purchases to get a decent tank seems too expensive to me.

[Sharpshooter824]

How is it a defensive doctrine osprey.. it has 2 emplacements..

Anyway churchhills do a very poor job of supporting infantry as it is.. im just suggesting this as a T3-T4 unlock to make the doctrine alot more appealing and rewarding instead of getting some suicidal ability like King And Country..

[Osprey]

Well, here are some of the doctrines I'm basic that conclusion on...

Bofors AA Gun,
17pdr,
Improved trench cover,
Tanks are more accurate when stationary,
Hull-down,
Infantry can build sandbags and wire,
Infantry harder to hit in cover (10%),
Infantry around hull-down tank get heavy cover,
Hull-down CCT can fire its gun and heal infantry,
Units in friendly territory buff for 30s (For king and Country)

...plus there's the Churchill tanks which are generally much better at defending than assaulting. Granted most of the other doctrines enhance tank armour, speed or health, but I thought 10/20 options geared for fighting in friendly territory or defending a stationary line made for a reasonable assumption that its a defensively based force, aside from the fact that the real Royal Engineers were tasked with building defensive positions, as well as fixing bridges and breaking fortifications.

[Latios418]

Osprey has a good point.

[Sharpshooter824]

Hmm, still an extremely worthless doctrine tbh, axis mortars and nebels > the entire doctrine.
I really wish I could change right now.

[Latios418]

clear profile --> select new doctrine

alternatively, wait for when EiRRmod implements the system he was talking about where you can select a different doctrine and get half of your pp back for selected doctrine abilities.

[Sharpshooter824]

I have over 60 games and im level 7 lol, Im not gonna clear my profile..

[jackmccrack]

I think the Churchill Croc with CCT is plenty "heavy" enough.

[Piotrskivich]

Long range flamethrower is pretty crazy with CCT.

[LeoPhone]

here it is: the USA SUPER HEAVY TANK
two were build...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T28_Super_Heavy_Tank


and the british super tank:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOG2


these tanks are build in WW2, now you guys go force the devs to make these monsters