Giving the brits a super heavy tank

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[Sharpshooter824]

Alright well..I was sort of thinking about an idea for Royal Engineers doctrine,the idea is giving them some type of super heavy tank like how the US gets a pershing, because right now its a doctrine stuck between slightly buffing infantry and slight buffs to tanks, i'd like to see this change into mainly armor buffs..

The reason why I think this is because brits have commandos..for elite infantry, royal arty for all the indirect fire you will ever need and royal engineers.. (Sorta the armor doctrine for the brits...but more worthless..) now yes the royal engineers 2 emplacements the other doctrines don't get but other then that...its just trashy expensive, pop heavy, slow churchhills that aren't really rewarding for unlocking them..wehr gets a KT at T3 in terror..PE gets a jagdpanther at T3 in tank hunters..Royal engineers gets a flame churchhill..

I did a bit of reading and saw that the british had ordered several M26 pershings before the war ended but they never saw action..since the US gets Super pershings which really never saw action.. why not give RE a M26 Pershing unlock as a T4 or fill that *TBA* T3 with a pershing  

please JUST DISCUSS, DO NOT FLAME, TALK ABOUT OTHER UNITS, JUST THE IDEA OF BRITISH GETTING A HEAVY TANK IN THEIR ''ARMOR'' DOCTRINE  

[Baine]

The flame churchill rocks man, the brits get the churchill tanks (3 of them) instead of one super heavy tank.

[Sharpshooter824]

So I get to buy 3 slow trashy tanks instead of a strong heavy tank? The flame churchhill is too slow to be effective so.. plus it can only engage light vehicles and infantry so..

[Baine]

The normal churchill may be trashy, but the other two are far from it.

[Sharpshooter824]

the AVRE is a piece of trash, its like a StuH except with a 180 sec recharge every shot with more damage that can be dodged..as for the churchhill croc, its not useful in many situations because infantry easily can outrun it and get away from the fixed flame turret  

Lets discuss more of the super heavy tank idea and less 'bout the churchhills anyway

[spinn72]

I personally dont think it's necessary.  The british are meant to survive mostly with medium tanks, and a firefly is as good as any panther (when combined with a CCT, which is always a must).

The churchill croc is a beast anyway, it can do what most of the super heavy tanks can do, but possibly kill infantry better, and when tank shock is working again, you'll be happy to have one on the field for sure.

PS. OMG 4 posts made while posting this

[Baine]

Ehm, AVRE is just not your normal tank, that doesn't mean it sucks. It's a tool, use it as that, ask people who have Vet 2 and Vet 3 AVREs.

And you talk about slow, guess what, it's faster than a KT. And the churchill flamer has the biggest flamer in game. I mean, it can kill 2 paks from the front.

And better have infantry running away than have them try to come close (rifles with stickies like KTs and Jagds).
The churchill croc is a mean beast, and i know that as wehr player.

[Sharpshooter824]

The firefly is practically a mobile AT gun...the cromwell can't stand up to a P4 and if lucky can circle strafe a stug..what brits really need is a super heavy tank for the ''armor'' doctrine..

Right now..as it is, the royal engineers doctrine isn't rewarding at all when you get to T3 let alone T4..
and to be honest if I could change doctrines I would right now

PS the AVRE can only kill things every 3 minutes without vet from close range.. that seems like a waste of 8 pop cap when I could be using something else

PS PS, the highest XP AVRE has about 13 XP so..

[EliteGren]

AVREs dont suck, ask Sach he one shoted one of my vet 3 Grenadiers on a road.

[Baine]

One shotted my Vet 2 KCH.

The reason that there ain't no Vet 2 /Vet 3 AVREs atm, we killed them because they were a pain in the ass.

[Latios418]

PS PS, the highest XP AVRE has about 13 XP so..

Leaderboards have nothing to do with how good a unit is. There have been several high XP AVREs before, and like all vet units have they died.

[Sharpshooter824]

Woopie, a unit kills a squad! Hmm I thought that was its job..
Get back on topic please.

All 3 of you the have posted in my thread are axis biased..this topic is going to go no where  
(Except spinn) he's the 4th lulz
ITS ABOUT GIVING THE BRITS A SUPER HEAVY TANK NOT AVREs

and latios, the only reason I refered to the leaderboards is because somebody else referred to their being lots of vet 2 and 3 AVREs

[Baine]

AVRE kills fortifications like no other tank, we talk about the effectiveness, while the churchills may not have a super armor that allows them to survive 10 - 20 pak shots, they will kill a lot more average in games than say a Jagd or KT.

[Latios418]

I'm not Axis biased....

[Sharpshooter824]

Bull crap, since when does an AVRE kill more in a single game then a jagd or KT, what are you doing, suiciding them?
The problem in EIR is there is not an immense amount of bunkers for the AVRE to effectively kill, the only time its going to kill a squad is if the squad is not being managed, like I said stop talking 'bout the churchhills and talk more about the pershing idea.

[EliteGren]

But I dont like the Pershing idea.
They simply dont need it.

[Sharpshooter824]

How do the brits simply not need it? The brits have no main battle tank, the firefly is a fragile AT platform, the cromwell is an absolute piece of speeding trash and everybody knows it, the churchhill is a slow heavily armored tank that just sits behind infantry, giving the brits armor doctrine a super tank would make the doctrine alot more rewarding.

To be honest yes if you are playing VS commandos you may think that but when you play VS a RE brit you don't have any units to fear..

[Latios418]

AVREs inspire fear pretty damn well. If they know how to lead shots (hint hint) then you can't dodge.

[Sharpshooter824]

GET OFF THE AVRE TOPIC, THIS IS ABOUT THE PERSHING IDEA

[Schwert]

Well actually Pershings saw action in the battle of Cologne. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Pershing#Combat_losses
Brits just do not have a heavy tank. They chose fireflies and a diffrent way of approaching the enemy instead