U.S. Armor Company and the new faust

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[Bubz]

So, has anybody managed to play this doctrine and deal with the current faust disabling the tanks on which you spent shitload of munitions as upgrades from your kiting range? It seems that every PE player is luftwaffe and regroups 3-4 fallschirmjagers squads that can easily own their counters with panzerfaust, and now volks/kchs work as well as antitank infantry. Imho the new faust on these units (kchs, volks, fsj) has made armor doctrine even rarer and harder to play or to begin with.

[Mysthalin]

Faust should be changed to pre=ToV, IMHO. A long range wehrmacht infantry-based super-treadbreaker makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
It has always been that allied inf goes up againt axis tanks, allied tanks vs axis inf if you want to win(with the exception of rangers/mandos vs infantry).
70 base damage, 2.25 modifier vs tanks seems like a lot of fun, like it used to be.

[Unkn0wn]

We are looking into this and will probably end up removing the chance to deal crits.
More info on this soon.

[Bubz]

That's good news.

[AmPM]

Yay, then they get shredded by a single quad!

Keep damage high, leave damage engine, remove destroy gun. Immobile and Destroy Engine only below 40%

[Bubz]

Are quads still a problem for you?

[Mysthalin]

I didn't know sticky riflemen could deal with a single puma. Not even 4 squads, actualy.

Why should 1 squad of axis makeshift AT be able to deal with a theorethically supperior anti-infantry vehicle? or 4 of them against a medium, and even a heavy tank?

A quad is specialist anti-infantry, it BETTER deal with specialist anti-infantry infantry of the axis. Get a pak, if you can't kill it with a faust.

The faust can stay as is, if the sticky can be thrown from across the screen, does twice as much damage and does it's job instantly, without a 5 seond timer.

[AmPM]

It just means that a faust - crit chance = goes back to not being used.

Buy more schreks instead, you will get 3 shots off pretty easily, doing more damage than a faust, and its constantly reusable, kills structures, kills weapons, etc.

110mu for Schrek, or 105 for 3 fausts with a massive cooldown between shots.

[AmPM]

I actually just want stickies, 90% chance to cripple? Thank you please!

Though I suppose your light armor spam isn't doing so well right now...

25% chance of Engine Damage + its current range and damage wouldn't be OP. Right now its the Main Gun Destroy and Immobilize in green thats a problem.

Isn't bren button also 35 range?

[Mysthalin]

I actually just want stickies, 90% chance to cripple? Thank you please!

Though I suppose your light armor spam isn't doing so well right now...

25% chance of Engine Damage + its current range and damage wouldn't be OP. Right now its the Main Gun Destroy and Immobilize in green thats a problem.

Please refrain from calling any kind of company I may build by calling it "spam", as I have not payed a single PP in building mine since .003, and I haven't played with you in roughly 2 weeks now, so you know not what kind of company I have. It doesn't have a single light vehicle in it, if that interests you.

You want a 90 percent chance to do engine damage? Get a LATHT, I heard that one has a much longer range, and has a 95 percent chance to do it. Fausts aren't stickies, they should have never even been equalised in the first place - especialy not with the range disrepancy, and with the ammount of anti-infantry capability the units wielding the faust can and usually attain.


Your implication "noone will use fausts if they are the same as pre-TOV and if they can buy shreks" is also flawed.
If a faust deals 150-175 damage per shot vs tanks, they're quite liable to be bought. Buy a 5 volks starting callin, with assault, MP40s and Fausts - you can one shot anything smaller than a pershing/churchill and you'll wtfpwn infantry. It'll cost a lot of muni, but it'll hold the field forever.

[Bubz]

No it's the crit it does that it's op. With all the superior anti tank power axis have this is really unneeded change. The current price is correct for old faust not for the current one. If you want stickies go play allies and realise how many stickies are thrown in a game, or how many good players let their tanks get stickied...

[AmPM]

Stickies aren't about chasing tanks to sticky them, they are about preventing enemy flanking with armor, which they do just fine. They also prevent the "Lawn Mower Effect", which is what the Allies used to do all day long (drive into the middle of Volks/KCH/FJ/etc), because they know they can always get away if they need to by backing out.

The whining right now is very similar to the whining that was going on about ATHT Treadbreaker when PE were introduced, ("waa, it can immobilize at long range"). You wanted the double LMG and double Schrek squads out so there would be less concentrated firepower to stop your tanks, now there is a tool that makes you stay at range.

Hell drop its range to 25 and make it like half a sticky for crits. Then it would serve a purpose.

I hear its going to a Phosphorus stun type deal, which you will also no doubt complain about due to not being able to run armor into Axis infantry with no obvious AT and live.

[Bubz]

The whining is because those things with their crits are simply stupid for their cost, and stupid for what they do. ATHT got changed and now fits its role in eir gameplay.  Well since you are so good and stuff, why dont you play allied armor and show us how to kill axis infantry without vehicles and your uberability in kiting panzerfausts?

[Fresz1]

We are looking into this and will probably end up removing the chance to deal crits.
More info on this soon.

Yea remove it... Is better to remove allies tanks this solve the porblem

btw. remove chance for sticky as well, 100% is stupid! and the cost of sticky is cool...

[Draken]

We are looking into this and will probably end up removing the chance to deal crits.
More info on this soon.

 100% is stupid! and the cost of sticky is cool...

Well without skirts its 99%, with skirts its 50%, stop creating your own crap theories.

[Guderian]

I propse: Make faust worse vs medium/heavy armor and better vs light armor as one of the genius move from relic.

[AmPM]

Ok heres some helpers:

Cromwell or CCT flank speed -> run over them.  Works every time and retreats their squad.  Its a little hard at first but when you're good you can run 2 or 3 of them over in a second.  Cromwell can't hit anything from a distance, but at least it can hit things under it.

-Spinn72


That right there is why they need to disable tanks in some way. Could always remove stickies and up Stug speeds so they can run over everything as well though, that would be balanced.

[AlcapwneD]

Ok heres some helpers:

Cromwell or CCT flank speed -> run over them.  Works every time and retreats their squad.  Its a little hard at first but when you're good you can run 2 or 3 of them over in a second.  Cromwell can't hit anything from a distance, but at least it can hit things under it.

-Spinn72


That right there is why they need to disable tanks in some way. Could always remove stickies and up Stug speeds so they can run over everything as well though, that would be balanced.

+10

While your at it, make the Panzerfaust have a chance to Dmg engine or Immobolize tanks when there at the closest radius so that charging tanks can suffer a big consequence when trying to run over volks . Thats pretty much all i want other than AMPM's suggestion .

[Guderian]

I am actually up for that, makes elite inf like falls and kch being able to not die to bumrushes but still won't do much dmg.

[wildsolus]

the way i've been dealing with fausts is buying an extra field repair because that inevitable disabling faust will come, so i make sure i have the tools to get back in the fight!

not savin any pp to buy doctrines though lol