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[Mukip]

Give that Sappers no longer repair, are they worth 200 manpower?  How do they stack up against a Volks squad?

Suggestion:  Reduce Sappers to 130-150 manpower, make PIATs cost 50 manpower 100 muni.  That way Brits have a cheaper detection unit if you choose to buy detection and demolitions for them, which I rarely see anybody use.

[crimsonrabbit]

Stack up against a volk squad? You mean like be able to kill a volk squad? I didnt know anti tank sappers were supposed to be anti infantry.

[gamesguy2]

Give that Sappers no longer repair, are they worth 200 manpower?  How do they stack up against a Volks squad?

Suggestion:  Reduce Sappers to 130-150 manpower, make PIATs cost 50 manpower 100 muni.  That way Brits have a cheaper detection unit if you choose to buy detection and demolitions for them, which I rarely see anybody use.

150 mp and 50 mp/100 mun for the piat upgrade seems fair.

[Mukip]

Stack up against a volk squad? You mean like be able to kill a volk squad? I didnt know anti tank sappers were supposed to be anti infantry.

I mean how does a naked Sapper Squad compare to Volksgrenadiers.  They are essentially a builder unit with little damage potential aside from Piats, but they cost as much as rifles and Volks.  That's why I'm proposing a price decrease for non-Piat sappers.

[crimsonrabbit]

wellin that case i guess i can agree w/ your proposal of costing manpower and munis for piats with a reduction to the base price of sappers to 150 or around that.

[jackmccrack]

Does anyone use Disposal and Detection Sappers?

[Smokaz]

I agree with mudkips, why should brits pay out of their ass for mine detectors and the ability to lay a single demo charge? Fielding a demo squad also counts towards their amount of sappers with handheld AT. They are also only a single reman. 150 manpower sounds about right. In comparison americans field a demo/minesweeper combo for 110 manpower, which hardly makes sappers intrude upon their territory. (as well as having smaller pop)

[CommanderHolt]

I use a D&D squad, but I'm considering to drop them for another Tommy squad.

[Glaze]

Probably a real dumb question, but what exactly does that detection and demolitions thing do?

[Mukip]

It gives the Sappers minesweepers and a demolition charge.

[spinn72]

I support the 150mp Sappers with 50mp/100 Mu PIAT upgrade.

A squad of sappers is basically a 4 man volks squad.  From memory volks are 175mp a squad.  They're also a cheap recrew squad (only use for recrewing ATGs, etc), instead of usually having to spam more blank tommies or engineers from my reinforcements, which are way cheaper.

With only 6 available sapper groups ive currently got them all to PIATs since that's the most effective use of them anyway.  They shouldn't increase availability, just make it slightly more attractive for detection and demolitions.  Same as rifle grenades, which were price dropped a few patches ago, since the bren is commonly used (and still is used on 5-6 of my squads).

[panzerjager1943]

A squad of sappers is basically a 4 man volks squad.

Except they have Soldier armour so they're basically a Fallschirmjager squad with Volks Rifles.

[Lt_Apollo]

i see an indirect buff the piat blobs coming, and that what this is an attempt to get more piat squads. like any one is going to use demolition and minesweeper on a sapper when you can just add to your at blob. i mean how often do uou see engis with minesweepers huh? also engis need more suppresion resistance so the can actualy use thoughs bad ass flamthrowers

[Mukip]

PIAT Sappers would cost the same.

[CommanderHolt]

How is it going to be an indirect buff to PIATs? Sappers w/ PIATs will cost the same as before. Plus nobody uses D&D because how expensive Sappers are. This going to actually going to give an incentive to buy D&D since regular Sappers will be cheaper.