Howitzer Buff?

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[Mgallun74]

think maybe the howi needs a health buff or something, right now axis have 3 off maps that instant murder it... even nebels live thru more stuff lol.

i know, set it further back, etc, but, its kinda waste of 400mp and 170 fuel to just get instant pwned after 1 or 2 shots, too many little cloaking ketts and stuff running around spotting it etc.

[Mysthalin]

It's 400 mp 160 FU, not 170...

Enough nitpicking, I personaly find the howitzer quite indeed OK. Artilery fortification could add a 50 percent health buff along with what it does currently(seeing as it's nerfed compared to vEiR) to make that doctrine choise more appealing, and howitzers able to survive trhough a hummel shot or officer mortar barrage... Otherwise, howitzers are quite great, just keep them far enough from the frontline so they don't get shot, and protect them accordingly.

[Piotrskivich]

Just be glad it doesn't cost 8pp. 

[CryingWolf]

think maybe the howi needs a health buff or something,

then so does the flak 88 (well the crew do)
Trust me, Flak 88 can be decrewed in ONE mortar shot ¬¬

[Mysthalin]

think maybe the howi needs a health buff or something,

then so does the flak 88 (well the crew do)
Trust me, Flak 88 can be decrewed in ONE mortar shot ¬¬

They... can't. They really can't. Not even a rifle squad can get killed by an axis mortar in one shot...

The 88 really does not need a buff.

[Freek]

think maybe the howi needs a health buff or something,

then so does the flak 88 (well the crew do)
Trust me, Flak 88 can be decrewed in ONE mortar shot ¬¬

I rushed an 88 w/ 2 ranger squads, and it survived longer than most regular inf squads.. somehow I doubt 1 allied mortar can 1 shot it.

[Tymathee]

think maybe the howi needs a health buff or something,

then so does the flak 88 (well the crew do)
Trust me, Flak 88 can be decrewed in ONE mortar shot ¬¬

the crew is just regular infantry, you dont need to do that. Just put sandbags in ront of it and you're fine. The only way a howie can decrew it is with a direct shot that goes over the top of the 88, which is very rare, most of the time you have to get splash shots to take the crew out over 2-4 hits.

think maybe the howi needs a health buff or something,

then so does the flak 88 (well the crew do)
Trust me, Flak 88 can be decrewed in ONE mortar shot ¬¬

I rushed an 88 w/ 2 ranger squads, and it survived longer than most regular inf squads.. somehow I doubt 1 allied mortar can 1 shot it.

exactly, the gun itself is very strong.

[Lt_Apollo]

howie is not a frontline unit and should never be placed in a position it could be attacked, if you can rach it you should be able to nutralise it. just think its an unarmoured gun loded with high explosive shells.......

[wildsolus]

not that hard to reach it with cloaked kettens and storms in the backfield...then v1 or firestorm. or just nuke it with shreks.

[Piotrskivich]

Same with the hummel. You could kill it with a single rifle bazooka squad. And it's costs twice as much as a howitzer and 8pp.

[Freek]

Something like that happened to my vet 3 howi crew a game or two ago.

I'm microing some frontline unit, when I get shouts on vent 'your howi'!

I jump to the howi intime to see it suddenly blow up.  The entire crew, dead.  Launching a massive manhunt, I vet hunt the vet 2 stormtrooper squad w/ 3 jeeps 2 rifles, 1 sherm and an allies sherm which gets the last shot in.

Well... methinks it'd be nicer if the 3rd howi guy just stood a little farther back lol.

[gamesguy2]

Same with the hummel. You could kill it with a single rifle bazooka squad. And it's costs twice as much as a howitzer and 8pp.

It would take a...special player, to lose a hummel to a single bazooka riflesquad.

Something like that happened to my vet 3 howi crew a game or two ago.

I'm microing some frontline unit, when I get shouts on vent 'your howi'!

I jump to the howi intime to see it suddenly blow up.  The entire crew, dead.  Launching a massive manhunt, I vet hunt the vet 2 stormtrooper squad w/ 3 jeeps 2 rifles, 1 sherm and an allies sherm which gets the last shot in.

Well... methinks it'd be nicer if the 3rd howi guy just stood a little farther back lol.

Weapon destruction like a howie or ATG always kills the two guys manning it, the 3rd guy will auto-retreat.

What likely happened is your howie was shot till it was down to 2 guys and then blown up.

[Piotrskivich]

Well, how is the hummel supposed to defend itself? At least the howie crew can run away and keep the vet.

[gamesguy2]

Well, how is the hummel supposed to defend itself? At least the howie crew can run away and keep the vet.

By driving away?

[EliteGren]

That argument is gonna fail when the abandon vehicle option goes in.

[spinn72]

Howies only die to V1 rockets really.  The crew dies by all the other Offmaps.

Hey, at least the gun isn't dying to a precision strike or anything.

The gun could use a health buff to match that of an 88 (basically so that one AVRE shot brings it to 25% health).  It should still be easy to decrew though.

[Lt_Apollo]

the howie IS NOT a combat unit, why should you buff a unit defensivly so that players that actualy micro that vet 2 storm squad will have no chance to kill it befor back up comes, if you can secure your own linethen why are you even using a howie realy. man ok i think the howie can use a buff ONLY against off maps to make it less lawl boom i firestormed your howie, but if you can sneek up and abush a non combat support unit you should be able to basicly destroy it with minimal firepower as once again it is a SUPPORT WEAPON NOT A COMBAT WEAPON. there is no compairing the 88 and the howie they are as far apart as a piat and a motor.

[Lemures]

Howies can be annihilated by rocket barrage without even needing a proper LoS....

[EliteGren]

What do you mean?

Rocket arty requires Los to be used.

[Freek]

Same with the hummel. You could kill it with a single rifle bazooka squad. And it's costs twice as much as a howitzer and 8pp.

It would take a...special player, to lose a hummel to a single bazooka riflesquad.

Something like that happened to my vet 3 howi crew a game or two ago.

I'm microing some frontline unit, when I get shouts on vent 'your howi'!

I jump to the howi intime to see it suddenly blow up.  The entire crew, dead.  Launching a massive manhunt, I vet hunt the vet 2 stormtrooper squad w/ 3 jeeps 2 rifles, 1 sherm and an allies sherm which gets the last shot in.

Well... methinks it'd be nicer if the 3rd howi guy just stood a little farther back lol.

Weapon destruction like a howie or ATG always kills the two guys manning it, the 3rd guy will auto-retreat.

What likely happened is your howie was shot till it was down to 2 guys and then blown up.

No, my howi was full health, I think it got precision striked, or some other offmap like that.  No 'conventional' stuff attacked it.  

However, I do agree to some extent with apollo (you don't need a vetted trooper squad, any cloaking unit will do)... that if they manage to get LoS on your howi they should be able to decrew it or something... I'm just saying that it's almost impossible to keep a vet 3 howi crew alive.  Even if you retreat them intime, any unit can out pace the howi crew's retreat speed. + the fact that there is only a small window of opportunity to retreat the crew for regular offmaps w/ red smoke, and that's only enough if you're actually watching said howi. 

However, the V1 is a different matter, since it's impossible to miss.  I always just insta retreat my howi crews if I hear a V1, thats like the only thing V1's ever get used against.