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[pqumsieh]

The stacking is getting old fast. Too many players refuse to play when they don't have a good chance of winning. We're seeing alot of people jump in and out of games until they finally find one in which their odds are greatly stacked in their favor.

This is seriously ruining many aspects of the game. Players need to stop caring so much about their win/loss ratio and just join any game. If we can get 1 pro and 1 or 2 causal players per team that would be a far better game then 3 pros vs 1 or 2 casual players.

Discuss all aspects of this problem

PQ

[velocity78]

your just one of those players who doesn't give a danm about anyone else but your self. why don't u join a stacked game and see how you like it? because i've been in about 10 stacked games and lost 8 of them. im getting tired of it.

[acker]

Something old that I've seen is vet farming. Some team will stack against an all-newb team. They than proceed to massacre the newb's units with vet1/2/3 units, and rack up a massive amount of risk-free EXP. It's like AMPM's old 1v1 vet farming before they took out 1v1s, except on a bigger scale.

They then justify their actions by saying said newbs will get much more PP than them; hardly a concern for a rank7/8 team.

[velocity78]

thats basiclly all they do

[Piotrskivich]

Joining stackers games without any regard for your chance of victory is pointless, it just rewards the stackers, if people want to stack don't join them and warn noobs that it is sure fail, stackers pluck out the new players in the community before they ripen.

[AmPM]

Well, it has nothing to do with rank, it has to do with people wanting to play with people they like. DasNoob is hardly the greatest EIR player eva, but he's a RL friend of mine, so I play with him. Mal is not the most uber either, but I like to play with him.

People setup teams usually because they enjoy playing with the people on their team. IF you don't like it why not organize your games, or actually put some effort into getting better?

[brn4meplz]

Yeah playing with friends isn't the issue, everyone has people they like to play with and don't. If there is a game that looks stacked don't join it, host your own. If they jump into yours kindly ask them to leave as they are above your skill level. For the longest time I loved it when i saw stacked games, me and Scyn would jump in there and give them a run for their money. The truth is, Most good players will prefer a challenging game over a simple win. Notice i used the term good player, there are people out there with Good W/L and high vet but they are not good players. and there are players out there with borderline even W/L ratios who are good players. Eventually newcomers learn to avoid the pro's until they get better.


Smokaz probably gets the roughest time for stacking, but I know for a fact he would rather fight an even match then stomp on someone for 30 mins. it just isn't any fun

[31stPzGren]

Balance Risk : Reward ratio. More benefits given for playing against stacked teams. - Previously in old EiR, 3 CPs were given regardless of win or loss, that helped increased games.

Consider increasing rewards to promote people to play stacked games. I've said before I personally believe 20 XP & 20 PP is miserable in exchange for playing a horribly one sided game.

Reduce benefits from Veterancy & Doctrines. Skill should always have a chance at beating veterancy & doctrines. A classic example would be a HMG should always suppress infantry in the open/light cover regardless of veterancy because it is an essential game mechanic.

Barring certain abilities design to overcome that mechanic (such as fire up, smoke etc.), nothing else should over ride it or it'll affect multiple facets of the game.

Edit: I like to add "I told you so" about this issue.

[EliteGren]

there are people out there with Good W/L and high vet but they are not good players.

I doubt there is someone who sucks but has a high W/L ratio in the current game environment.
What do you consider a good player? Someone who turns his mg when there is a rifle flank incoming? Or people that do good strategic decisions, command their team etc.

And also I think most stacks aren't stacks where people are looking to stomp, but more of a game with friends or people they know, as AmPm accurately pointed out.

[acker]

...That just happen to have an average win:loss ratio of over 2:!, of course*. And, quite honestly, it does the exact same thing deliberate newbstomping does in terms of welcoming new players.

And it just happens to be very, very profitable. Especially in terms of vet, which people absolutely require in evenly-skilled matches.



*This makes sense, birds of a feather flock together. In more ways than one.

[wildsolus]

stepping out of your comfort zone seems hard for a lot of people to do, especially those who hate to lose.

played a game vs pauli, gren and gamesguy got my calli precision striked and guess what?



time to vet another one up  

[jackmccrack]

Geez, Precision Strike killed your Calli?

[gamesguy2]

Geez, Precision Strike killed your Calli?

It was sitting in spawn.  We spotted it with a sniper, waited till wild was busy microing something else, and elitegren dropped rocket arty on it.

...That just happen to have an average win:loss ratio of over 2:!, of course*. And, quite honestly, it does the exact same thing deliberate newbstomping does in terms of welcoming new players.

And it just happens to be very, very profitable. Especially in terms of vet, which people absolutely require in evenly-skilled matches.



*This makes sense, birds of a feather flock together. In more ways than one.

It goes both ways though.  When I first started my wehr company, I was intentionally going and looking for the worst teammate possible to play with.

After I accumulated some vet.  I would get games where my ally is useless because its his first day playing EIR or whatever.  Which is fine except my opponents would make it a point to try and gang up on and hunt down every single unit with vet I have. 

Which just makes me not want to keep playing with newbies.   I don't care about win/loss, but hopeless games where you know the otherside will try and kill all your vet is just not fun.

[brn4meplz]

played a game vs pauli, gren and gamesguy got my calli precision striked and guess what?

Rocket Arty maybe? the Offmap that is the hard counter to calliope's?

EDIT: Ohh gamesguy beat me to it.

[Piotrskivich]

It must have had low health.

Once I saw a calliope get hit by 2 goliaths and a mortar barrage ability and it almost survived.

[EliteGren]

An orgasmic feeling came through my body when I made the vet 3 calli explode.
And it was Rocket arty, not precision strike.

[wildsolus]

ah ok that makes sense.

next time i except my calliope driver to yell something before he blows up! my riflemen at least have the courtesy to do that.

[gamesguy2]

there are people out there with Good W/L and high vet but they are not good players.

I doubt there is someone who sucks but has a high W/L ratio in the current game environment.
What do you consider a good player? Someone who turns his mg when there is a rifle flank incoming? Or people that do good strategic decisions, command their team etc.

I disagree.  There are a bunch of somewhat better than average players who play with each other and noobstomp exclusively, usually with axis.   They all have 2:1 w/l ratio or better.

The truly good players all enjoy playing other good players, its just those games are rare.   My personal policy has always been that given my choice of teammates, I will play against anyone, and most good players I know have the same policy.

[Malevolence]

Well, it has nothing to do with rank, it has to do with people wanting to play with people they like. DasNoob is hardly the greatest EIR player eva, but he's a RL friend of mine, so I play with him. Mal is not the most uber either, but I like to play with him

Mal is better than you are a lot of the time if his company isn't a failure 

[AmPM]

How often is that build a failure though