Side skirts, stacking, and stickys

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[SaintPauli]

Edited to include math for morons 

At the moment there is a problem with side skirts. Their bonuses stack with other bonuses from vet and doctrinal abilities (mainly German Steel and Fatherland Defense). This makes a fully jacked up P4/Stug/StuH more resilient than a Tiger! Therefore I suggest a rather large change in the way that side skirts work:

Remove all damage/penetration modifiers from the side skirts since these are stackable bonuses. Instead give ALL the units with side skirts P4 front armor value as rear armor vs. handheld AT + immunity to buttoning and crits from stickys (not damage).


This is what the suggestion would do in terms of numbers:

Sticky bombs:
This cost the axis player about the same as the sticky bombs. Allied player buys 4 sticky bombs. Axis player buys skirts on 4 tanks that become immune to the critical effect. The sticky bombs still does FULL damage (100-150)

Bazookas (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Frontal Dam + 33%
Frontal Pen + 33%
Rear Dam +33%
Rear Pen – 66%

Piats: (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Frontal Dam + 33%
Frontal Pen + 33%
Rear Dam +33%
Rear Pen – 66%

Recoilless Rifles: (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Frontal Dam + 33%
Frontal Pen + 33% ( full pen)
Rear Dam +33%
Rear Pen +0% (full pen)

AT Guns (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Dam + 11%

Tanks (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Dam + 11%

The proposed side skirts ONLY GIVES PROTECTION VS REAR ARMOR HITS. Frontal hit on the suggested skirts will be exactly the same as an attack vs. a non skirted tank.  In terms of protection this will be a HUGE NERF to axis. Since the skirts no longer improve frontal armor it mainly hits the ones that excel in long distance combat - Blitz! On the other hand it now gives axis the same possibility as allies to use blitz tactics and skirmish fighting with tanks (still a risky and non advisable tactics if you want to keep your vet). This will be limited to the medium tanks and the allies will have a visual indicator (the skirts) on what units that have the break trough capabilities. Defense and Terror will be more durable in this role and whereas blitz will have “less armored” tanks that are better at getting in and out quick. 

[Guderian]

Saint teh ninja     

[AmPM]

Except that its a right pain in the ass, its doable.

Then again, it would still get sticky raped.

[Guderian]

Like and locking old topic due to this makes more sense and is an improvement


Edit:

Whate we can't lock? Damit!

[Mukip]

Buttoning is essential to Brit gameplay, this is practically a buff.  There's definitely a problem with Blitz when all upgrades and vet are stacked on top of each other.  I think the sum total of side skirts, vet 3, improved barrels and heat rounds/german steel need looking at, maybe blitz needs less tank buffing abilties, replace some of them with new ones.  Maybe skirts just need a price increase.  Or maybe range buff needs removing from veterancy.  Doesn't need to be drastic, just toned down a bit.  I think one or two minor debuffs are in order here to bring them in line and see where it goes from there.

[jackmccrack]

If it's not broken do not change it.

[AmPM]

At the same time, they should nerf allied armor vet, its silly that with armor doctrine and vet a Sherman can penetrate a Panther reliably and have more HP as well, right? Hell, they can tear up Hetzers (a supposed AT unit with fantastic front armor) from the FRONT.

Oh its not?

Leave the tank doctrines to boosting tanks.

[Mukip]

At the same time, they should nerf allied armor vet, its silly that with armor doctrine and vet a Sherman can penetrate a Panther reliably and have more HP as well, right? Hell, they can tear up Hetzers (a supposed AT unit with fantastic front armor) from the FRONT.

Oh its not?

What are you doing here, arguing with yourself?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Anyway, as I've said in other posts, I wouldn't mind seeing some of the obviously superior allies and axis docs toned down a bit, together.  Gameplay over super units plz.

[CrazyWR]

Why do Blitz players keep suggesting super buffs for their units?  You don't see players of other doctrines coming up with completely absurd I-Win buttons and then proposing them in complete seriousness...

[Mysthalin]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

[Bubz]

You don't see players of other doctrines coming up with completely absurd I-Win buttons and then proposing them in complete seriousness...

I gotta say that this made my day. 

[Mgallun74]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

[Baine]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

[Mgallun74]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

[Baine]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

[Mgallun74]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

ya, but iam sure their grand daddys who were born east of berlin wouldnt 

[jackmccrack]

never seen pauli play axis i bet he is sooooo good

[Guderian]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

ya, but iam sure their grand daddys who were born east of berlin wouldnt 

We need to quote more quotes, Quote more quotes!

[Baine]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

ya, but iam sure their grand daddys who were born east of berlin wouldnt 

We need to quote more quotes, Quote more quotes!

No we don't! And you never mentioned those grand daddys! Tell me more!

[Guderian]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

ya, but iam sure their grand daddys who were born east of berlin wouldnt 

We need to quote more quotes, Quote more quotes!

No we don't! And you never mentioned those grand daddys! Tell me more!

Even tough it is of topic yes i do need to know wtf are these granddaddies=?