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[Tymathee]

why? Tanks do get cover bonuses. Its only behind green cover though, mainly tank carcasses. You ever noitce how at guns fire at tanks and sometimes hit stuff? Thats the cover bonus...

this is the 57mm vs tanks that are "behind" green cover.

Heavy   0.25   1   0.5   0.5

thats accuracy .25, dmg 1 suppression .5 (sutpid anyway) and penetration .5

[IIPraeToriaNII]

and double lmg's shouldnt be a tier 2 'placeholder', and inspired assault shouldnt be t3, btw what tier is fireup, ap rounds, etc, etc, etc...?
this doctrine shit is all over the place...

i thought the passive vehicle cover was in play....

[AmPM]

Modify Improved Barrels to be Penetration bonus (higher velocity, longer barrel), then make HEAT extra damage and splash for improved infantry killing goodness.....mmmm.....STuH.....Tiger... ..mmmm

[SaintPauli]

Tanks don't get cover bonuses.

O rly

then why do their weapons have a COVER TABLE? wow you are retarded

I'm just going to quote this so you can't delete it.

LOL @ Duck

[pqumsieh]

I think making heat rounds increase splash damage/radias and damage against infantry only would be a good idea. However, you might have to reduce its penetration if you increase its splash.

PQ

[SaintPauli]

and double lmg's shouldnt be a tier 2 'placeholder', and inspired assault shouldnt be t3, btw what tier is fireup, ap rounds, etc, etc, etc...?
this doctrine shit is all over the place...

Agreed. Since the doctrines were implemented  I haven’t seen Assault on anything but KCH whodoes not need to unlock it. Even if you unlock it it’s still going to cost you 65MU on your storms.

make HEAT extra damage and splash for improved infantry killing goodness.....mmmm.....STuH.....Tiger... ..mmmm

That’s just going to make it even better and it’s already the most popular T4 choice in Blitz.

[Malevolence]

rly

then why do their weapons have a COVER TABLE? wow you are retarded

Because those are for use against infantry in that type of terrain. Vehicles get a special kind of cover called "vehicle cover", which is around a 20-25% incoming accuracy reduction while the vehicle is in contact with "yellow" or "green" cover. The problem with this is that tanks like to crush yellow and green cover by running them over, so craters are most effective.

[acker]

Most American tanks/vehicles don't get vehicle cover. At least, in vCOH they don't. Relic fucked up, I'm not sure if the EIR dev team corrected that or not. In the most glaring example, all three Shermans don't have vehicle cover enabled.

ALL British tanks/vehicles DON'T have vehicle cover. EVERY Wehr/PE tank/vehicle POSSESSES vehicle cover, including Flak88s and Flakverlings.

[AmPM]

Actually, it used to be all American tanks other than things that could by Smoke, now even those benefit from it.

[acker]

When did the EIR devs change it? It certainly wasn't changed by Relic in...patch 2.600, at least.

[acker]

Actually, it used to be all American tanks other than things that could by Smoke, now even those benefit from it.

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?p=3571589&highlight=vehicle+cover#post3571589


Post #218. It was supposed to be implemented, but it wasn't. Unless the EIR devs changed something or Yurdle is wrong, quite a few American and every single British vehicle lack vehicle cover bonuses.

[gamesguy2]

why? Tanks do get cover bonuses. Its only behind green cover though, mainly tank carcasses. You ever noitce how at guns fire at tanks and sometimes hit stuff? Thats the cover bonus...

this is the 57mm vs tanks that are "behind" green cover.

Heavy   0.25   1   0.5   0.5

thats accuracy .25, dmg 1 suppression .5 (sutpid anyway) and penetration .5

Tym you are seriously misinformed.

Infantry and only infantry get regular cover.  Vehicles and tanks get something called "vehicle cover", which gives a 25% dodge bonus if you are sitting in a crater.   In theory you can get vehicle cover by sitting behind sandbags, in reality vehicles tend to run those over.  So every now and then you can park something behind a wreck to get the dodge bonus.     In reality however, vehicles have to be constantly on the move, so vehicle cover is rarely used.

There is also no such thing as shot blocking in the game.   This has been conclusively disproven a long time ago, see below.

http://www.coh-stats.com/basics/shotblocking.html

[DasNoob]

SE roadblocks make GREAT cover for a marder III.  Build one and then park behind it.  You get the green cover, and your barrel is high enough to shoot over it.

[gamesguy2]

SE roadblocks make GREAT cover for a marder III.  Build one and then park behind it.  You get the green cover, and your barrel is high enough to shoot over it.

Shot blocking does not exist.

Parking a marder III behind roadblocks give you 25% dodge bonus due to vehicle cover, and thats it.   The shots that hit the roadblock are calculated misses.

[AmPM]

Gamesguy is correct, HOWEVER, many things that miss actually hit due to scatter being low or getting lucky, Roadblocks and other types of hard cover prevent this to a great degree, so instead of a "Miss" hitting you, it hits the object.

[acker]

As I've said before, every Axis vehicle gets vehicle cover, including the Flak88. That's why building sandbags around Flaks works, because they have vehicle cover, not because the sandbags block shots. It should be noted that if you set vehicle cover to 100% misses, everything WILL MISS. No scatter shots hit whatsoever. Strange, but...well, strange, AMPM. Defies my game experience...

http://www.coh-stats.com/factions/wehrmacht/abilities/vehiclecover.html

I was going to say back on topic, but this is on topic.

[gamesguy2]

Gamesguy is correct, HOWEVER, many things that miss actually hit due to scatter being low or getting lucky, Roadblocks and other types of hard cover prevent this to a great degree, so instead of a "Miss" hitting you, it hits the object.

Thats only a real concern with handheld AT weapons though.   AT guns and tank guns tend to either hit or miss by a mile, with no inbetween.

Against handheld AT personally I would be too busy trying to run away unless its zooks.

This is why relic never fixed the issue of allied tanks not getting vehicle cover.  Because it almost never comes into play and 95% of the time it doesn't matter. 

[Atlanton]

This could be a shitty idea.

But what would happen if the Vet 2 range bonus to Panzer IV's would be given to Vet 2 StuG's?

It would make it so Panzer IV's would be less able to kite handheld AT at Vet 2.

[salan]

All CW units will be effected by vehicle cover in O patch.

[gamesguy2]

Going back on point, a tier 2 that gives +5 range to all tanks is simply too much.

I'd be quite content if it was say +5 range to stugs, stuhs, tigers, and ostwinds.  It would be a decent tier 2 rather than an overpowering one.