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[Mysthalin]

No, because you're an axis fanboy blinded by his own rage about a unit that's not OP.

I have played enough games with church crocs to relise how unpractical the flame range is.

You said it yourself, the flame range is unpractical. Needs to go up to 60, so it can instantly decrew a pak as soon as one fires at the croc.

You raged about the "supporting PIATs" in one of your posts, cba to find it.

[Demon767]

No, because you're an axis fanboy blinded by his own rage about a unit that's not OP.

stop caring about your post because once again im being abused.

constructive critizm please.

[Mysthalin]

There's not a constructive, proper suggestion for it to be replied to in constructive criticism.

[Smokaz]

The croc is fine, its part of the tiebreaker toolset of the RE doctrine along with the AVRE.

Some armor requires different AT options

That said, I would get a church croc over a Panther in any game. 

[Mysthalin]

But that's more because you can't use your panthers for shit, not because you love the croc .

[spinn72]

the Churchill croc is meant to be as feared as a Panther or Pershing maybe, in that it takes a lot to beat it.

I'll give you this demon - the croc is definitely much better against PE.  With the modifiers it decrews 8 man clown cars in no time (area of effect kills all 8 at once) and it penetrates everything PE has but the panther and IST w/skirts.

With the flamer range, i think 35 is awesome although it is a lot.  It's not very accurate at that range and either way with tankbusters penetration would be difficult.

[Smokaz]

I've yet to see proof of the panther being good in the average game, while the RE croc excels in any game it is deployed. Let's not confuse my opinion of the panther with how it performs in my hands, in that case a lot of units would have to be nerfed and others buffed I was whipping boyscout face with bren carriers before they became ridicolous and everyone bandwagoned it, it was fine before why was it buffed, lol.

[Mysthalin]

On a sidenote, I had a vanilla churchil that was pretending to be cost effective in a game.

14 infantry kills(mostly grenadiers with LMGs and shreks, but also a fall squad) before it died to a panther, trying to save a firefly .

[spinn72]

my crocs usually get from 15-25 kills each game.  Obviously the more axis blobs = the more i kill, and this is the only effective anti blob weapon for brits lol!!!

Mostly LMGs, falls, and Support weapons die from my crocs.  They will rarely kill any armour at all however.

[Demon767]

tiebreaker unit. hmmm
if it was meant to be like that (you know like a kingtiger type unit) than i can accept its range of flame. if the devs made it to be like that so be it.it has great armor, turret and it can destroy all infantry. thats awesome, Although i still strongly believe it should be lowered to say 28-30? if this was the case.

[Sharpshooter824]

Did we mention it costs 4 PP?

[Mysthalin]

And that it's a T3?
And that it costs more than two vanilla churchills in terms of fuel?

[Lemures]

It's an Expensive, T3 Doctrine Based, PP Based, Fixed Firing Arc on a Slow chassis and is meant to kill Infantry so it's ranged is deserving of 35.

[Sach]

you haven't actually said why you think it should be lowered. You're just arbitrarily picking numbers out of the air and saying 'its range should be this.'

Is it because it can kill schrecks? Thats the only reason I can see for you suggesting a range decrease. In which case look at options. Marder/AtHT/Hetzer. Circle strafe with a clown car or heck, you could probably circle strafe with 2 schreck squads since it has no turret for the flame.

Why exactly do you think the range should be lowered?

[gamesguy2]

tiebreaker unit. hmmm
if it was meant to be like that (you know like a kingtiger type unit) than i can accept its range of flame. if the devs made it to be like that so be it.it has great armor, turret and it can destroy all infantry. thats awesome, Although i still strongly believe it should be lowered to say 28-30? if this was the case.

The flamer does not have a turret.

If you don't know basic facts about the unit you are trying to get nerfed, don't expect people to take you seriously.

[gamesguy2]

I've yet to see proof of the panther being good in the average game, while the RE croc excels in any game it is deployed. Let's not confuse my opinion of the panther with how it performs in my hands, in that case a lot of units would have to be nerfed and others buffed I was whipping boyscout face with bren carriers before they became ridicolous and everyone bandwagoned it, it was fine before why was it buffed, lol.

Cannon's panther is a pita, it 3 shots shermans from firefly range.

[Demon767]

i dont expect you to understand anything as your try to abuse my knowledge of the unit

because you think im a dumb idiot that doesnt understand a unit. when you have to pick apart every single bloody post i bloody make. and to reply to yourstupid post, the turret is the bloody cannon, the flame has a forward arc, maybe if you read the whole thread you might haverelised it was repeated many upon many times.

[gamesguy2]

i dont expect you to understand anything as your try to abuse my knowledge of the unit

because you think im a dumb idiot that doesnt understand a unit. when you have to pick apart every single bloody post i bloody make. and to reply to yourstupid post, the turret is the bloody cannon, the flame has a forward arc, maybe if you read the whole thread you might haverelised it was repeated many upon many times.

Yes, by me.

Yet you continue to make posts like this:

the church croc is supposed to be far superior than the sherm croc, in no way i condone that. It has much better armor and a turret;

Maybe your English isn't good or something, but that line says to me you you think the sherman croc doesn't have a flamer turret and the churchill croc does.


In this entire thread you have not come up with a single good reason why the croc needs to be nerfed, all you post is "I think its overpowered, nerf."    WHY do you think its overpowered.

[Demon767]

No you think im a dumb idiot, thats why you question [Turret] and once again insult my intelligence.
im locking this thread, sick and tired of defending myself against nerds with big e-peen muscles.