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[Malevolence]

Upgun. You know, that upgrade that makes Shermans beat P4s from the front 100% of the time?

[Scyn]

Yeah.. but why are you trying to grill me? I'm defending the Upgun's performance.

[Malevolence]

You had a typo making it appear as though you said the upgun sucks badly.

You appear to have fixed it, in which case I am on your side.

[Scyn]

lolz

[Mgallun74]

meh, lucky for axis players the 76m1 of the sherman in game under performs compared to what it should do if you referenced the damage and penetration values of m10 3in and m18 76m1..  then again relic totally fucked over the m18s stats as well, so ya whatever lol.

[Jazlizard]

I don't think there is a problem with the P4, and it seems like your issue is with skirts anyways.

A couple folks, axis folks even, have suggested alternatives to the way they currently work, although it seems anything these days that could potentially help the axis is meet with the full wrath of the allied propaganda machine. I'm seriously tired of having to defend every single axis unit there is, especially with all the "buff X allied unit" threads that go along side them, anyways back on topic...

The MG gunner on top is fine the way he is, frankly I don't think he's worth it but that's just my preference.

[Sharpshooter824]

if the 76mm upgun on the sherman had the same capabilities of regular 75mm of sherman it'd be fine, it may be small difference but it does alot

[Smokaz]

The m18 is brutal, sooner or later someone is going to post a replay showing the cloak kiting with a vet 2 m18 shaving off huge bits of health from p4s/hetzers/stugs/any medium tank really and the m18 will become very popular. Im trying to get a hang of it myself, its tricky but when you do I think this thing is gonna replace m10s completely.

[Mysthalin]

Jazzie, maybe it's to do with Wehrmacht really indeed being OP, and the allies being UP(other than the broken Boys AT rifle), that there's 1000000 threads crying to nerf axis and buff alies?

[Two]

I'm seriously tired of having to defend every single axis unit there is

Then seriously stop being a axis fanboy maybe. Axis is clearly OP. And this unit is one of the main culprits.


Damn mysthalin for posting first.

[deadbolt]

I don't think there is a problem with the P4, and it seems like your issue is with skirts anyways.

A couple folks, axis folks even, have suggested alternatives to the way they currently work, although it seems anything these days that could potentially help the axis is meet with the full wrath of the allied propaganda machine. I'm seriously tired of having to defend every single axis unit there is, especially with all the "buff X allied unit" threads that go along side them, anyways back on topic...

The MG gunner on top is fine the way he is, frankly I don't think he's worth it but that's just my preference.

Then stop being an axis fanboy

[Scyn]

Deadbolt and Two. Seriously... I know you guys are joined at the hip, but you don't need to attack someone in unison that is only bringing to the table their experiences and feelings.

[Two]

Not attacking him, just stating a fact.

[Bubz]

What's wrong about vetted tanks is the range buff, it's just stupidly noob-friendly.

[Jazlizard]

Really I don't mind, it just helps to paint the picture of why I don't like coming to threads like this.

Look at the OP for goodness sakes, there isn't even a constructive argument there.

Skirts need to go back to vet 2 and it couldnt hurt for the mg to go to vet 1. And id like to see a accuracy nerf at long/max range but i dobut thats guna happen.

[velo78]

I think the panzer 4 should stay as is. How else are we supposed to counter all of the allied tanks? with stugs? they get circle strafed. Panthers are a bit expensive, and I dont use.

[Glaze]

Hrm.  I would be for this, but then I realized how "OH @#$% NO" I got when you guys mentioned requiring veterancy to upgrade my lovely Shermans.  I don't know, I could certainly live with needing veterancy to upgrade a PIV, but this is coming from the guy who only has one PIV.

[Sharpshooter824]

only reason you have less P4s then US has shermans is because most of you are running a panther along with your P4s, run no heavy tanks and you'd have an equal amount of superior tanks

[Mysthalin]

Stugs are AWESOME anti-tank units. Just don't keep them in one place, and reverse, and nothing will ever circle them. They even get a nifty 1.5 dmg multiplier vs M10s.

[Two]

Really I don't mind, it just helps to paint the picture of why I don't like coming to threads like this.

Look at the OP for goodness sakes, there isn't even a constructive argument there.

Skirts need to go back to vet 2 and it couldnt hurt for the mg to go to vet 1. And id like to see a accuracy nerf at long/max range but i dobut thats guna happen.

See thats your problem fanboy, you should be able to look at the post and see why it makes sense but you cant, axis nerfs are like bestiality to you.

I think the panzer 4 should stay as is. How else are we supposed to counter all of the allied tanks? with stugs? they get circle strafed. Panthers are a bit expensive, and I dont use.

And a p4 shouldnt be a tank counter, paks shreks and panthers are your counter.