Repair + Retreat

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[Lemures]

Then you can move them someplace safe and COVER the tank while it's repairing instead of this bs of sitting on spawn and insta retreating ONLY if you're in danger of dying.

Isn't the whole point of it being disabled while repairing to show it's vulnerable? Retreating should also apply, since technically, it would need to be moving to withdraw.

[Smokaz]

Nah, I just think its BS how long after the possiblity of crude/cheesy tactics around the spawn of the opponent at the game start, the spawn provides a kind of "HQ area" where a counter can just pop out with superincreased stats to protect a arty piece which should have been covered by other units on the map or be retreated. Howitzers and 25 pounders doesnt get this luxury while being enormously vulernable to offmaps. This is especially annoying with a calli buying itself even more preserved HP and time by popping smoke.

[CrazyWR]

wait, units get inflated stats as well as temporary invincibility?

[Smokaz]

YES. Basically a upgunned sherman coming out of spawn will fire faster, have increased accuracy, have better penetration and be invincible as it comes out of spawn to defend a calli. A dev will have to comment on the exact stats, but they put out severe punishment when affected by the spawn buff.

[gamesguy2]

Then you can move them someplace safe and COVER the tank while it's repairing instead of this bs of sitting on spawn and insta retreating ONLY if you're in danger of dying.

How do you cover your repairing tank from a recon run and a bombing run?

Or MI followed by rocket arty?

[Lemures]

Then you can move them someplace safe and COVER the tank while it's repairing instead of this bs of sitting on spawn and insta retreating ONLY if you're in danger of dying.

How do you cover your repairing tank from a recon run and a bombing run?

Or MI followed by rocket arty?

Then retreat the tank instead of repairing...I mean how do you stop them being nuked by stormies? you usually don't. If it's early enough in the game for them to still have those things maybe retreating your vet 3 tanks is a better idea huh.

[DasNoob]

Who would waste their off map on 1 repairing tank?   

[Smokaz]

If its a vet 3 p4, or a low health jagdpanther, who wouldn't?

[Lemures]

Vet 3 PIV are everywhere really.

[gamesguy2]

Then you can move them someplace safe and COVER the tank while it's repairing instead of this bs of sitting on spawn and insta retreating ONLY if you're in danger of dying.

How do you cover your repairing tank from a recon run and a bombing run?

Or MI followed by rocket arty?

Then retreat the tank instead of repairing...I mean how do you stop them being nuked by stormies? you usually don't.

Spamming bits or wire and keeping a jeep onhand can stop storms.

Then whats the point of repairing if every tank can be easilly offmapped?   No one would be stupid enough to repair a tank that has vet or cost pp because you can't retreat and can't dodge the offmap.

Who would waste their off map on 1 repairing tank?  

I sure as hell would.  Guaranteed pershing or churchill croc or tiger kill for a single offmap?  Where do I sign?

[CrazyWR]

YES. Basically a upgunned sherman coming out of spawn will fire faster, have increased accuracy, have better penetration and be invincible as it comes out of spawn to defend a calli. A dev will have to comment on the exact stats, but they put out severe punishment when affected by the spawn buff.

well that explains the panther one shotting my 25% health croc the other day...

[gamesguy2]

YES. Basically a upgunned sherman coming out of spawn will fire faster, have increased accuracy, have better penetration and be invincible as it comes out of spawn to defend a calli. A dev will have to comment on the exact stats, but they put out severe punishment when affected by the spawn buff.

well that explains the panther one shotting my 25% health croc the other day...

It doesn't actually give a damage bonus, "only" a 50% reload/cooldown bonus and a 2x acc bonus.

[Smokaz]

Honestly I cant know the exact buffs, I am almost 100% sure ROF is affected and accuracy probably too. Again, a dev should comment on it. Units have blitzkrieg/IA icons over them, as well as being invulnerable. And a upgunned sherman raped the shit out of my panther from the front as it came out of spawn with a icon over it, I was shocked at how fast it killed my panther who was making a legimitate attempt to KO/force the retreat of a calli.

YES. Basically a upgunned sherman coming out of spawn will fire faster, have increased accuracy, have better penetration and be invincible as it comes out of spawn to defend a calli. A dev will have to comment on the exact stats, but they put out severe punishment when affected by the spawn buff.

well that explains the panther one shotting my 25% health croc the other day...

It doesn't actually give a damage bonus, "only" a 50% reload/cooldown bonus and a 2x acc bonus.

Well there we go, thats pretty damn powerful right there. Its basically carabine tier 4 for any unit type with unyielding accuracy.

[VictorTarget]

Why don't you just remove the spawn buff if you have your own units within a certain distance of your spawn point for too long?  Or make the retreating bug on infantry too close to the spawn work on vehicles as well, so they have to be coming in from a short distance out, they can't just disappear.

It would resolve some of these problems without changing the gameplay too greatly, I don't think.

[Aggamemnon]

Can we stick to the OP content please.

Personally, I agree tanks should not be able to retreat while repairing.
I'd also be in favour of a timer on *anything* retreating, as this would alleviate the tank thing anyway.
OR removing the speed buff for infantry retreating (but allowing them to instantly start fleeing)

As for the buffs on freshly spawned units, make a new thread.
But I agree with a ten minute timer on it Smokaz, after that you shouldn't get it, but can it be coded that way.

[gamesguy2]

Well I completely disagree.   No retreating while repairing means all the heavy tanks(pershing, tiger, etc) will never repair because the risk of someone using a recon run/MI and then dropping offmap on it is far too great.

[AmPM]

Yep, along with the drop in some new AT infantry that just retreats as soon as your tank is dead bullshit.

Drop speed and accuracy bonuses off retreating infantry, give it a 10 second timer.

[Aggamemnon]

They can do that anyway gamesguy.

and Ampm, if they drop AT in.... that tank can't deal with them anyway, they are already sitting ducks repairing
Infantry may be able to retreat with 90% immunity... but right now, tanks get an unstoppable retry thanks to repair + retreat.

The fact that the only way to even get rid of the tank is to drop/get more at on them (just to retreat) should show how out of whack it even is.

[AmPM]

Thats not the only way.

Let me give you a hint.

Don't let it escape in the first place.

Just like infantry, they can pull back and heal.

Infantry can actually heal many more times than a tank can.

[Aggamemnon]

Infantry that have to retreat don't come back. (until next game).