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FailHammer
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Hail to the Fail
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July 19, 2009, 03:51:30 pm »
The Hetzer.
Oh my hetzer why cannot you penetrate a shermans side armor when cloaked?
I have one of these in my company yet I dont know why. The best thing about it seems to be the Mg on top. Its range is good but its penetration sucks Aloha'sBigDick. And the damage is fairly low anyways if it ever penetrates in the first place.
It is not cheap but I may be user error fucking it up somehow so if anyone could splain this I would be momentarily grateful.
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crimsonrabbit
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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July 19, 2009, 03:53:41 pm »
There is nothing to explain. Dont buy hetzers.
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #2 on:
July 19, 2009, 03:54:06 pm »
Smokaz?
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EliteGren
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #3 on:
July 19, 2009, 04:05:26 pm »
You should only really use Hetzers when you plan on getting APCR.
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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July 19, 2009, 04:11:55 pm »
Quote from: Unkn0wn on July 19, 2009, 03:54:06 pm
Smokaz?
No, he a new guy or something, though his voice sounds familiar, but i dont know whos.
And hetzers suck, hopefully the new price will make them worth it though
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acker
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Posts: 2053
Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #5 on:
July 19, 2009, 04:16:49 pm »
Tanks don't have side armor. They only have front armor, or rear armor.
That said, I think that the first cloaked shot should always penetrate.
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VictorTarget
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Posts: 234
Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #6 on:
July 19, 2009, 05:00:11 pm »
I've found that it's ability to hit infantry actually isn't that bad, but really, it's best used in support, it's certainly not a front-line tank. It often devastates light or medium armor, such as a hellcat. Shermans are a bit on the high end for it to handle unvetted, though.
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EliteGren
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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July 19, 2009, 05:17:03 pm »
Hetzer devastates M18 what the hell? It has a penetration of 1 against hetzers frontarmor so it will penetrate it every single time!
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VictorTarget
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Posts: 234
Re: Hail to the Fail
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July 19, 2009, 05:18:38 pm »
Quote from: EliteGren on July 19, 2009, 05:17:03 pm
Hetzer devastates M18 what the hell? It has a penetration of 1 against hetzers frontarmor so it will penetrate it every single time!
Modifier at range, last I checked? Not sure on the numbers, but hang on.
Quote from: Mysthalin on July 10, 2009, 11:41:23 am
Actualy, that is pretty close to the truth, however the hellcat has this :
Penetration by range :
L 0.4
M 0.55
S 0.65
So, basicaly, even though it will actualy not lose any penetration versus a hetzer, it has horrible penetration by range - it will only penetrate 2 shots out of 5 at long range, 13 shots out of 20 at point blank
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It is a terrific anti-hetzer and anti-P4 unit, however.
Seems it really depends on who gets the drop on who, between those two. But I've found that the hetzer is devastating if you can pull it out later in the game when most armor is exhausted. It's capable, it just doesn't last very long against other tanks. (Odd, for a tank hunter)
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Akranadas
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Posts: 6906
Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #9 on:
July 19, 2009, 05:59:28 pm »
A Units performance is constantly under reviews. If action is needed to make them more attractive and preform better in the EIR environment, we usually will take steps to do so. Its just a long process due to the risks of breaking units.
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AmPM
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #10 on:
July 19, 2009, 06:12:44 pm »
Hetzer honestly should have the same pop use as an M10 or STuG. So 9 or 8. Not 10.
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Tymathee
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #11 on:
July 19, 2009, 06:20:51 pm »
Like someone said above, best when used in support. Especially with the range buff they can get, it can be quite deadly. Keep it with other tanks and with other units, just driving it arond a long unsupported will get it killed
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AmPM
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #12 on:
July 19, 2009, 06:33:03 pm »
In other words, don't use it, get a Marder. It kills faster from longer range, costs less and uses less pop.
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Lemures
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Posts: 137
Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #13 on:
July 19, 2009, 06:50:36 pm »
Marder can be killed by brens and other small arms fire
Also in that last game with you FailHammer, your hetzer took around 5 FireFly shots to finish it off after it's engine was blown.
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scrapking
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Posts: 924
Re: Hail to the Fail
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July 19, 2009, 06:51:44 pm »
Quote from: AmPM on July 19, 2009, 06:12:44 pm
Hetzer honestly should have the same pop use as an M10 or STuG. So 9 or 8. Not 10.
M10 is 10 pop. But i kind of agree with you anyway.
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Akranadas
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Posts: 6906
Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #15 on:
July 19, 2009, 06:56:06 pm »
Isn't the Stug 8?
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AmPM
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Posts: 7978
Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #16 on:
July 19, 2009, 07:17:54 pm »
Quote from: Lemures on July 19, 2009, 06:50:36 pm
Marder can be killed by brens and other small arms fire
Also in that last game with you FailHammer, your hetzer took around 5 FireFly shots to finish it off after it's engine was blown.
You shouldn't have to worry about brens killing it, if thats an issue, then the hetzer will die as well because you have lost the position and your tank/spg is caught.
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FailHammer
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Re: Hail to the Fail
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Reply #17 on:
July 19, 2009, 08:00:24 pm »
Maybe a slight penetration buff for the hetzer would make it a better unit, bc right now its an expensive infantry sniping platform.
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