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[Smokaz]

.. against normally leveled and built up companies run by unsuspecting eirr players:

Just no, plz. Don't do it.

Nobody should mix testing, mentoring with the normal game and players. The many available and known COH exploits and shit all rely on trust and players watching each other for is enough if we're not gonna start getting suspicious to 25-0 or 15-0 accounts showing up from nowhere with loads of stuff not gained from the same grinding as everyone else.

Mentor accounts should be kept to mentoring games, either 1v1s between you and your mentee or 2v2's with him on your team where you politely inform that your bringing a "pre-made" company. There's a difference here.

Not pointing any fingers here, just sayin'. When Salan tests something I have observed him ask a player to join his 1v1.. open cards ftw. Unless its some kind of field test or player response you are particulary looking for, its dubious.

I know I would think it petty if someone came after my company with some kind of "designer drug" account out of malice

[scrapking]

I know I would think it petty if someone came after my company with some kind of "designer drug" account out of malice

Yeah that's kind of how I feel when you (or any similarly developed player) play me with your normal company.  It really does amount to the same thing in terms of advantage - only you actually did grind your own company up.  That's really the only difference.

I seriously doubt any devs use their test accounts with any "malice", and I really hope that mentor accounts are only being used for their intended purposes.

[bbsmith]

There's only 4 people that I know of who have mentor accounts. I assume there's more but now I'm curious who your talking about.

[Smokaz]

I know I would think it petty if someone came after my company with some kind of "designer drug" account out of malice

Yeah that's kind of how I feel when you (or any similarly developed player) play me with your normal company.  It really does amount to the same thing in terms of advantage - only you actually did grind your own company up.  That's really the only difference.

I seriously doubt any devs use their test accounts with any "malice", and I really hope that mentor accounts are only being used for their intended purposes.

Let's not mix player experience and the actual company here, mmkay? Im sure you would have a equal chance to beat me if you had played coh as long as I have. Also I very often seek out the hardest games possible in the launcher, something which would be hard to argue that you do if you feel I am being petty by trying to play with you, something which only has happened twice in two days as far as I have known you to play this mod, and there was no baiting or inciting or trying to make you play.

[EliteGren]

Well I played against an unknown company today that Ive never seen before with tons of vet and something like 25-5 statswise.

It looks like that account was coming out of nowhere and tried to be like mudkips airborne company. I think that account even had a T4.

I never saw Unkn0wn playing airborne this war, and suddenly I see him dropping 4 vet 2 RR Airborne on my ass in R+ mode.

[Jazlizard]

If the devs want to test something with someone I'm not sure I see the harm. I don't really expect them to have the time to play the game as much as we do, I don't see the big deal if they wanna test, or even mess around with a decked out company, although it'd be nice to to know ahead of time if your going up say an all vet 3 company.

As for the mentor accounts, I believe all they are getting is some free rank and PP to build a mentor company to encourage mentors to play with newbies without risking their main account. Is it abusable, yeah I guess, but there are a lot of ways to game the system.

Really if we can't trust the devs discretion on who they trust with what we have bigger issues.

[EIRRMod]

The mentor accounts are meant to be used exclusively for Mentoring, in a 1v1 (or 2 mentors in a normal 2v2 etc)

These are planned, and on purpose games, you should never be encountering these on the field.

However, certain companies ARE setup for testing, and have certain boundries (for example, realistic Vet for rank level etc).
We try to test with inhouse companies as much as possible, yet at times, we have to 'live fire' test

[scrapking]

I know I would think it petty if someone came after my company with some kind of "designer drug" account out of malice

Yeah that's kind of how I feel when you (or any similarly developed player) play me with your normal company.  It really does amount to the same thing in terms of advantage - only you actually did grind your own company up.  That's really the only difference.

I seriously doubt any devs use their test accounts with any "malice", and I really hope that mentor accounts are only being used for their intended purposes.

Let's not mix player experience and the actual company here, mmkay? Im sure you would have a equal chance to beat me if you had played coh as long as I have. Also I very often seek out the hardest games possible in the launcher, something which would be hard to argue that you do if you feel I am being petty by trying to play with you, something which only has happened twice in two days as far as I have known you to play this mod, and there was no baiting or inciting or trying to make you play.

No Smokaz, I'm not implying any bad intent here, so don't take it personally.

My point is that there is no difference between a dev playing with a test account against anyone and a "finished" account playing against a lesser player - whether the finished account earned it or not.

The point is that grinding it out or not has nothing to do with an unbalanced game.

But yeah, if someone is using a test or mentor account to intentionally hunt you, that's another story.

[EIRRMod]

But yeah, if someone is using a test or mentor account to intentionally hunt you, that's another story.

Id be too scared too, when he *still* wins vs a vet 3 army

Talk about not being able to live down the rep LOL

[Smokaz]

There's no difference in bringing a company you didnt build against other companies that were built the normal way, without mention, in a normal game? As for unbalanced game, that was never mentioned in the OP, which I presume you read.

[EIRRMod]

There's no difference in bringing a company you didnt build against other companies that were built the normal way, without mention, in a normal game? As for unbalanced game, that was never mentioned in the OP, which I presume you read.

So, If I played, I must use a rank 1 account, forever - because I spend all my time doing this mod?

Answer carefully.

[bbsmith]

I think eirrmod is allowed to do whatever he wants whenever he wants haha.

[EIRRMod]

I think eirrmod is allowed to do whatever he wants whenever he wants haha.

My point was, that while he gets to 'play' Im slaving away making the friggen thing.

So, I can stop and play =)  Thats why a careful answer was needed (for humour / suspense)

[Akranadas]

As long as EIRRMOD doesn't bust out the Companies he brought out during the Alpha testing

4 Kts and 4 Jadgpanthers on the field at one time :O

[scrapking]

There's no difference in bringing a company you didnt build against other companies that were built the normal way, without mention, in a normal game?

In terms of results?  Fuck no there isn't.

Whether you built it or not, or was given to you or not really has no bearing at all.  We aren't in a "live" war, this is a test phase, end of story.

Plenty of people seem to think its just fucking fine-tastic to bring their fully developed T4 companies, along with their fully developed T4 friends against lesser players.

What the fuck does "earn" have to do with anything?

[Smokaz]

 

So, If I played, I must use a rank 1 account, forever - because I spend all my time doing this mod?

Answer carefully.

 Thats a specific example you're asking me to evaluate in a discussion of principle, so I would have to rule what I personally think of the example.

No, you shouldn't feel compelled to bring a level 1 account and the prerequisite I feel would be most correct for deciding what would be a "fitting" premade company to play with would be Presentation. It would completely depend on the presentation, if you show up with a level 8 account with 0 games on it everyone will understand and know from the notion that you in all probability don't have time to grind up a company just to compete because you work on the mod and therefore field a premade company to have fun and play a game.

However, if unknown brought a company that was premade with 25-5 stats and everything "set to go" the presentation gives a false impression that he's bringing a normally grinded company to a mundane game..  there's tons of reasons for why this is dubious, a swift example would be that it could be tailored to counter another company.

Is that careful enough?

[scrapking]

 a swift example would be that it could be tailored to counter another company.

See, there I fully agree with you - and like I earlier said, I seriously doubt that is happening.

[Smokaz]

And that's only one aspect of dubiousness I could have mentioned, I personally would be laughing when the company loses, but generalizing your own reactions to be like everyone else's natural reaction is the golden road to fail.. another possible aspect would be players feeling hustled like cheap crack mamas when a "fake" throwaway company given out for other purposes smashes them or kills all their vet with "unearned" offmaps.

It ceases to be a issue when training games are implemented, just doing the good fight for my eirr bros. I'd hate for their emotions to be bruised, you see.

[scrapking]

another possible aspect would be players feeling hustled like cheap crack mamas when a "fake" throwaway company given out for other purposes smashes them or kills all their vet with "unearned" offmaps.

But its ok for players to feel hustled like cheap crack mamas, so long as its a "Real" company that smashed them or kills all their vet with "earned" offmaps?

Got it.  Check.

[Smokaz]

Yeah, I would definitely say that when you know what you are going to and you lose a game its on your own bill. Also, a real company would be taking a risk with its own vet and its own real units, unlike a premade company. Unless you were forced into the game or deceived by a level 8 company, take it to the chin and come back for the win.

For these latter cases causing especially large amounts of trauma, a lot of nations have emergency hotlines like this: http://dahmw.org/