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Lutefisk44
EIR Regular
Posts: 18
The Tiger
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July 23, 2009, 09:29:27 am »
I have a suggestion for the tiger tank.
It is that you give the tiger and ability to camuflage if it is very close to a hedgerow or a giant bush.
It would take about 15-35 seconds to camuflage the Tiger. It could maybe get the damage bonus. After it has fired off a shot it will not be able to auto-camoflage, you must hide it again.
The reason i think that the Tiger should get this ability is that it only have a range of 40.
This is a huge pullback for the Tiger and I feel it is very annoying to have these Firefly's, M10's, Pershings, ATG's and Shermans sniping my Tiger forcing me to move it up to fire back but instead running into a wall of ATG fire.
Feel free to pull and add suggestions to what we could do and not rip it apart as it is.
This has nothing to do with the post i just wanted to add this I found on a ww2 forum:
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Tigers were capable of destroying the American Sherman or British Churchill IV at ranges exceeding 1,600 m. In contrast, the Soviet T-34 equipped with the 76.2 mm gun could not penetrate the Tiger frontally at any range, but could achieve a side penetration at approximately 500 m firing the BR-350P APCR ammunition. The T34-85's 85 mm gun could penetrate the Tiger from the side at over 1,000 m. The IS-2's 122 mm gun could destroy the Tiger at ranges exceeding 1,000 m from any aspect.
The M4 Sherman's 75 mm gun could not penetrate the Tiger frontally at any range, and needed to be within 500 m to achieve a side penetration. The British 17-pounder as used on the Sherman Firefly, if firing its APDS round, could penetrate frontally at over 1,500 m. The US 76 mm gun, if firing the most common APCBC ammunition, could not penetrate the Tiger frontally at any range, and needed to be within 1,000 m to get a side kill. However, if the 76 mm was firing HVAP ammunition (usually in short supply), frontal penetrations were possible at 1,000 m.
Tigers were reported to have knocked out enemy tanks at ranges greater than a mile, or 1,600 m.
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Baine
Steven Spielberg
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Re: The Tiger
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July 23, 2009, 09:33:18 am »
Quote from: Baine on July 22, 2009, 09:44:09 am
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Unkn0wn
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Re: The Tiger
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Reply #2 on:
July 23, 2009, 09:41:10 am »
Did you get longer barrels?
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LuAn
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Posts: 572
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #3 on:
July 23, 2009, 09:41:40 am »
Welcome to the forums
Sherman, Churchill, Cromwell, Pershing, Tiger they all have a range of 40.
ATGuns are supposed to outrange tanks, they even outrange the FF, so i think that argument is not really valid
FF and M10 are Tank Destroyers, thats their purpose.
So i dont really see why want a buff on the tiger because of those facts.
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VictorTarget
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Posts: 234
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #4 on:
July 23, 2009, 09:46:38 am »
I don't think this buff is justified, myself.
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SaintPauli
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Posts: 530
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #5 on:
July 23, 2009, 09:53:58 am »
Pershings and Shermans have the same range as the Tiger (and you probably have +5 range from heat rounds). The tiger could use some love though.
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Ununoctium
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Posts: 1256
Re: The Tiger
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July 23, 2009, 09:55:03 am »
Quote from: Unkn0wn on July 23, 2009, 09:41:10 am
Did you get longer barrels?
did you buy the T2 that makes your tiger outrange everything except fireflies?
On the perhsing note its a pretty sad raneg thb. armour needs a range boost T2 instead of this silly shoot and scoot.
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My tigers get penetrated by everything. Its really really frustrating.
Your tiger is a whore
Lutefisk44
EIR Regular
Posts: 18
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #7 on:
July 23, 2009, 10:12:02 am »
Yes I got the longer barrels, but i was mostly thinking for the other people. So people would actually choose to have the Tiger.
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Baine
Steven Spielberg
Posts: 3713
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #8 on:
July 23, 2009, 10:14:50 am »
One shotting infantry squads (riflemenz/commandos etc) should be a good reason to get it
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Ununoctium
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Re: The Tiger
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July 23, 2009, 10:18:41 am »
Quote from: Lutefisk44 on July 23, 2009, 10:12:02 am
Yes I got the longer barrels, but i was mostly thinking for the other people. So people would actually choose to have the Tiger.
There are no other people.
Everyone gets improved barrels if they use any tanks at all.
If anything iproved barrels should be changed to +5 range on P4, Tiger, and Ostwind only.
The same way all the Allies T2 skip the Pershing which is worse than the tiger anyways.
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Two
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Posts: 2079
Re: The Tiger
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July 23, 2009, 10:47:05 am »
Tiger is fine, just learn to use it right. Its quite a fast tank for how strong it is so you shouldnt really have any problems using it. Id post replays of how to use it but i dont have a tiger for some strange reason. *stares at unknown*
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SaintPauli
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Posts: 530
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #11 on:
July 23, 2009, 11:00:34 am »
Quote from: Ununoctium on July 23, 2009, 10:18:41 am
Pershing which is worse than the tiger anyways.
Pershing is the best tank in the game…
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Mysthalin
Tired King of Stats
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Re: The Tiger
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July 23, 2009, 11:05:24 am »
Quote from: SaintPauli on July 23, 2009, 11:00:34 am
Quote from: Ununoctium on July 23, 2009, 10:18:41 am
Pershing which is worse than the tiger anyways.
Pershing is the best tank in the game…
Says the completely axis bias player, that hasn't played allies in his entire history of EiRR....
Use it, then comment, otherwise you'll end up saying the bazooka is better than a schreck again.
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SaintPauli
EIR Veteran
Posts: 530
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #13 on:
July 23, 2009, 11:21:07 am »
Quote from: Mysthalin on July 23, 2009, 11:05:24 am
Says the completely axis bias player, that hasn't played allies in his entire history of EiRR....
Use it, then comment, otherwise you'll end up saying the bazooka is better than a schreck again.
It still doesn’t change the fact that the Pershing has better stats.
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LuAn
EIR Veteran
Posts: 572
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #14 on:
July 23, 2009, 11:25:27 am »
http://www.coh-stats.com/Vehicle:M26_Pershing
http://www.coh-stats.com/Weapon:90mm_Pershing
Tiger 1.35 1 1 0.5 2 1 200
http://www.coh-stats.com/Vehicle:Tiger
http://www.coh-stats.com/Weapon:88mm_Tiger
Pershing 1.08 1 1 0.7 4.64 1 200
whereas Target Name ↓ Acc ↓ Mov ↓ Dmg ↓ Pen ↓ R-Pen ↓ Sup ↓ Pri ↓
I only see slighty better long range penetration on the pershing.
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Tymathee
Donator
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Re: The Tiger
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Reply #15 on:
July 23, 2009, 11:28:30 am »
Quote from: SaintPauli on July 23, 2009, 11:00:34 am
Quote from: Ununoctium on July 23, 2009, 10:18:41 am
Pershing which is worse than the tiger anyways.
Pershing is the best tank in the game…
Tiger Ace is, Jagd is better tank Killer though, but best tank for cost and stats wise is easily the Panther.
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Dafuq man, don't ask for proof if you'll refuse it if it's not in your favor, logic fallacy for the bloody win.
Baine
Steven Spielberg
Posts: 3713
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #16 on:
July 23, 2009, 11:30:43 am »
Quote from: Tymathee on July 23, 2009, 11:28:30 am
Quote from: SaintPauli on July 23, 2009, 11:00:34 am
Quote from: Ununoctium on July 23, 2009, 10:18:41 am
Pershing which is worse than the tiger anyways.
Pershing is the best tank in the game…
Tiger Ace is, Jagd is better tank Killer though, but best tank for cost and stats wise is easily the Panther.
Tigerace sucks. I remember the "grudge match" against Scyno's vet 3 pershing, he totally fucked my tiger ace, while the tiger ace only scratched his paintjob.
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Two
EIR Veteran
Posts: 2079
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #17 on:
July 23, 2009, 11:34:12 am »
Quote from: LuAn on July 23, 2009, 11:25:27 am
http://www.coh-stats.com/Vehicle:M26_Pershing
http://www.coh-stats.com/Weapon:90mm_Pershing
Tiger 1.35 1 1 0.5 2 1 200
http://www.coh-stats.com/Vehicle:Tiger
http://www.coh-stats.com/Weapon:88mm_Tiger
Pershing 1.08 1 1 0.7 4.64 1 200
whereas Target Name ↓ Acc ↓ Mov ↓ Dmg ↓ Pen ↓ R-Pen ↓ Sup ↓ Pri ↓
I only see slighty better long range penetration on the pershing.
Yet even then doesnt change the fact that axis has so much more and better AT then allies have.
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EliteGren
EIR Veteran
Posts: 6106
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #18 on:
July 23, 2009, 11:36:27 am »
You gotta take field repairs, crew repairs, OBM and such into account which let you recycle your pershing more than once unlike the tiger.
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SaintPauli
EIR Veteran
Posts: 530
Re: The Tiger
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Reply #19 on:
July 23, 2009, 11:42:25 am »
Quote from: LuAn on July 23, 2009, 11:25:27 am
I only see slighty better long range penetration on the pershing.
The Pershing is 25% faster than the Tiger…
Quote from: Tymathee on July 23, 2009, 11:28:30 am
Tiger Ace is, Jagd is better tank Killer though, but best tank for cost and stats wise is easily the Panther.
Ace is not in the game. Jagd is better vs. tanks but sucks vs. infantry. The price difference vs. Panther is negligible.
Quote from: Two on July 23, 2009, 11:34:12 am
Yet even then doesnt change the fact that axis has so much more and better AT then allies have.
The allies are much much better equipped to deal with heavy tanks: Buttoning, Stickies, Firefly, Recoilless, Piats. Axis don’t have those options.
Quote from: EliteGren on July 23, 2009, 11:36:27 am
You gotta take field repairs, crew repairs, OBM and such into account which let you recycle your pershing more than once unlike the tiger.
+1.
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