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[Tymathee]

Yeah i know and they are cool, but what about MOAR

Why can't OMG-Mod and EiR have the same maps, seriously. More love for both

I would love to give you MOAR but, I like my dev status at OMG =)

so you'd lose your dev status if you share some of your omg maps? Rather petty of them tbh.

[Warbirds]

Yeah i know and they are cool, but what about MOAR

Why can't OMG-Mod and EiR have the same maps, seriously. More love for both

I would love to give you MOAR but, I like my dev status at OMG =)

so you'd lose your dev status if you share some of your omg maps? Rather petty of them tbh.

It's called sarcasm.

[Mysthalin]

Salentijn castle >>> Tanteville, tbh.

Even if it is a Leophone creation .

I just don't find any of your maps fun gameplay wise - all they do is look good, but have way poor gameplay in them. That is my oppinion.

[Glaze]

Eh, I think they are great.  Of course, I don't like playing in an ugly map, no matter the gameplay!

[Ununoctium]

I'm going to break the rules and steal all of the OMG maps while Unknown makes a stealth change to the launcher.

Soon you will download Salan's Map pack IV with all the stolen maps

...and Salan won't know a thing about it.

[spartan117]

Salentijn castle >>> Tanteville, tbh.

Even if it is a Leophone creation .

I just don't find any of your maps fun gameplay wise - all they do is look good, but have way poor gameplay in them. That is my oppinion.

Have you even played all my maps. I have 15! =)
And the number of plays says otherwise =)

[CommanderNewbie]

so you'd lose your dev status if you share some of your omg maps? Rather petty of them tbh.

Spartan already did share some of his maps.  In fact, seven posts above yours he states that he has shared 4 different maps with EIR.  I'm at a loss as to why you feel the need to call the OMG dev staff "petty."

Regarding DuckorDie's original post, I feel obligated to mention that Lolto hasn't been a member of the EIR map team for almost a year now, so I think he's just a bit misinformed.  So far as I know, Kolath is currently the mapping overlord here?

[Sach]

hes calling them petty for coveting maps. As can be seen with what Spartan has said and from the pm that DuckorDie received.

actually to be fair I think Lolto was only objecting to the fact is said 'for europe in ruins.'

But really this whole your map our map thing only hurts the mappers imo. Theres plenty of good maps in both mods and it just means less people get to play a person's map.

[Tymathee]

so you'd lose your dev status if you share some of your omg maps? Rather petty of them tbh.

Spartan already did share some of his maps.  In fact, seven posts above yours he states that he has shared 4 different maps with EIR.  I'm at a loss as to why you feel the need to call the OMG dev staff "petty."

Regarding DuckorDie's original post, I feel obligated to mention that Lolto hasn't been a member of the EIR map team for almost a year now, so I think he's just a bit misinformed.  So far as I know, Kolath is currently the mapping overlord here?

yea some but not all. What I'm saying is, IF that's the case that he'd lose his dev status if he shared his maps with us, then that's petty, if that is the case, then omg is petty for doing so for trying to have "exclusive" maps for their mod.

[CommanderNewbie]

actually to be fair I think Lolto was only objecting to the fact is said 'for europe in ruins.'

But really this whole your map our map thing only hurts the mappers imo. Theres plenty of good maps in both mods and it just means less people get to play a person's map.

Thank you for pointing that out Sach.  If that was changed, I don't think Lolto would have had any problems putting the map up.

The whole "your map our map" thing is a necessity however for OMG's mapping community to function as it does.  It's not so much about the maps themselves, but the support that other sections of the OMG staff give to map creators who do opt to map for OMG.  Its one of the biggest reasons as to why there are a number of decent maps coming out over in OMG.  Many of them aren't so much an independent work, but a part of the growth of the mod itself.  That's why mappers such as Spartan are tied directly to the OMG dev team through the mapping team, because in essence they are a part of OMG development.  That's the reason why all of Spartan's maps aren't circulating freely, its not just that we're slave-drivers and forcing him to only make maps for OMG  Exclusive maps do usually receive a good deal of support from the rest of the staff though, so you can't really blame us for having them be exclusive.

yea some but not all. What I'm saying is, IF that's the case that he'd lose his dev status if he shared his maps with us, then that's petty, if that is the case, then omg is petty for doing so for trying to have "exclusive" maps for their mod.

The above statement explains why it's not petty.  I'm not sure how you can call it petty, when we're just developing our mod.  The exclusive maps are as much a part of the mod as the code that allows it to function.  Its not as if OMG players are calling the EIR staff petty for not sharing their spiffy launcher and graphics with OMG

I understand that you want to play more of Spartan's maps, they are quite good.  But its not justification for name-calling.  We're not holding him hostage, its just part of the agreement for the exclusive maps that he makes.

[spartan117]

We're not holding him hostage, its just part of the agreement for the exclusive maps that he makes.

Yes they Are! Save Me! Anyway, the whole take away my dev status was just a joke.

[Sach]

the thing is though newbie although Spartan makes good maps they just aren't *that* good that players care if they are OMG exclusive. Theres plenty of good maps in circulation atm, its a hell of a lot better than a year or so ago when we only really had half a dozen decent maps so for most players this whole thing is seen as kind of petty and pointless and wonder why its on the forums.

Basically, Duckordie is saying the EIR team need to update the titles people have as they are no longer representative of the people that work on the mod. Thats it.

[Baine]

I really don't get it. Spartan is talented and makes cool maps, but making them exclusive won't make people switch the mod. I understand that you guys have a lot better feedback as it seems that you guys got more mappers in "your" community, while "we" only got few.

Why can't the mappers from both mods work together on maps for both mods. It would be the first step to a better atmosphere between the mods.
The rivalry between both mods doesn't help anyone. And yes, i still see rivalry, not only concerning the maps.

[CommanderNewbie]

the thing is though newbie although Spartan makes good maps they just aren't *that* good that players care if they are OMG exclusive. Theres plenty of good maps in circulation atm, its a hell of a lot better than a year or so ago when we only really had half a dozen decent maps so for most players this whole thing is seen as kind of petty and pointless and wonder why its on the forums.

Basically, Duckordie is saying the EIR team need to update the titles people have as they are no longer representative of the people that work on the mod. Thats it.

I completely agree with you, Sach. 

The only reason I spoke up was because Tymathee decided to start calling me (by extension, as part of that dev team) names, and Duck's OP was so uninformed that it hurt my brain.  But I guess that's done with.

[GamerAndyAlly]

Baine,
Since we look at mappers as part of our dev team it would be inappropriate to just give out all our maps in much the same way the EIRR dev team isn't going to come over and give us all the work they did on offmaps or something.

When we started OMG we decided that we wouldn't just beg people to make maps but rather reward good mappers by making them a part of the actual development process, we support them and offer feedback and give them our coders time developing cool shit like new modes, special buildings.  We also do joint projects that we're only really able to do becvause we have a specific Team.

Currently OMG has 12 map projects underway - 10 of them are Exclusive.   Most of the projects are first attempts by players of OMG who want to contribute and who know that if they come out with a great map will given the opportunity to join the OMG dev and really get involved.

Its just the way we've chosen to do this - If EIR wants to offer the same level of support and access I suspect you'd see more maps.  And for the record, Unknown released Arras as an EIR exclusive....

Funny Story: Spartan has actually released more original maps for EIRR than any other mapper...

ciao

[Duckordie]

I don't care if the map is a remake, past and copy map
Ifs a good map, its a good map.

[Lolto]

Hello, my name is Lolto.

Not to be mistaken for Lotto, it is, in fact, Lolto.

So with that in mind, let me walk you through the basic premise that the mapping team over at Operation Market Garden works under. 

When determined that you have reached a certain level of quality maintained within your map structure (as in your maps are not shit), then I will approach you and inquire as to whether or not being a part of a highly organized and proficient development team would be of any interest to you. 

Upon hearing your most positive and exciting response, you would be incorporated into the development process for which the Operation Market Garden team works under.  As part of the exclusive map team for Operation Market Garden, you would be given access to top secret information and be expected to remain confidential while being a part of the development team at Operation Market Garden.

Operation Market Garden offers exciting new opportunities for upcoming and promising mappers, if you would like to be a part of a rewarding and friendly development process which only Operation Market Garden can provide.  Then please, submit your best maps for review and play testing over at Operation Market Garden and if you have what it takes to be the best, then you will enjoy being a part of the best mapping team in Company of Heroes.

My goal is to maintain and upheld only the highest standards of mapping for Operation Market Garden.  While my tutorials may be for benefit of all mappers, my maps, as well as many of the maps my team has developed, can be found only at Operation Market Garden.

-Lolto (Executive Map Team Lead for Operation Market Garden)

Disclaimer: I am not in any way, shape, or form associated with the Europe in Ruins development team, this is a fabrication by the illusive and most dangerous Duckordie.  Be careful, he may be carrying misinformation and he is not afraid to use it.

[Sach]

seriously guys, no one cares.

[Duckordie]

*Sight*

This have nothing to do with O:MG
Its have to do with you Lolto being/was leader of EiR Mapteam and you did not fit in there, as you know, you belong to O:MG. No question about it.

Nice to see you here and nice to see you fearing me

After all,
I backstabbed you, and you deserved it, I quited when you

1. *Cheated on moddb* This is wrong, EiR old team did that, my bad, still you did some nasty thing
2. Planed attacks on EiR Webbsite
3. Made it hard to work as a Friendly site, Help eir, eir helps you, give maps, and help each other when relic breaks the mod.

As I said on my FIRST post, O:MG is a great mod, and this has nothing to do with me or them.

This is about EiR Team not kicking Mods thats should not me mods.

Or am I misstaken, do you Lolto whana be a team of EiR Mapping?
Becuse I need some help with my map, you whana help me?
Its hard to be in 2 forums for me, as same as you, You make 99% of your posts in O:MG fourms, not in here.

Same with me, I keep posting more here than in O:MG.
Now. My maps are for all mods, O:MG and EiR.
Play the maps you like. I dont Push you.

As I said before, EiR Fails in aiding, Read my post here and in O:MG

Its pity that you need to drag up old stuff like I leaving O:MG map team and stoped making them exclusive. And yes, after I left, you kicked out all my maps out due they where "eir" dirty...

[Phil]

rofles =)

-Phil (Executive Producer, Server Support Team Lead, Talent Manager and Comic Relief for Europe in Ruins; Retired)