Commando Smoke

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[salan]

Commando smoke is a 6 second uninterpretable invisibility where they neither lose speed, or are damageable by any targetable effect.  They have the ability to break the smoke themselves, but even running them over with a tank will NOT pop them out of their imposed stealth.  It is to my knowledge the only ability in the game that completely removes you from targetable harm for any duration without the ability to be interrupted by the opposing team.

This allows commando's to run past any force unopposed during that time frame, taking no damage, and pop out within killing distance ready to go; Or this allows them to shift direction and get away unseen.

The balance of fire up is, if they fire up, they still have to run through your fire to get behind you.

SHOULD COMMANDO'S GO INVISIBLE WHEN THEY POP SMOKE?

if no, they would still have their suppression break, and smoke effects, and perhaps a 6 second suppression immunity like fire up.

NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, or you get a vacation.

[Draken]

Well even if I don't use commandos, I play all factions, and I don't find commandos op for their price, it can stay as it is now for me.

[VictorTarget]

No, Commandos should not go invisible.

As you stated, it's the only ability that does that, and it's mildly unreasonable in doing so.  Give them the suppression break, and the smoke cover, but let them take damage at the same time.

[CafeMilani]

it can stay as it its. smoke doesnt make them OPed

[Mukip]

They already cost 350 manpower 165 munitions, give them a break Salan! 

[Sharpshooter824]

Yeah, after the recent price increase I think smoke should stay as it is, its one of the things that makes commandos unique

[Armfelt]

It is fine as it is! Without it, they are like expensive MP40 Volks!

If there shall be any changes give them Stormtrooper camo. But as I see it they got their special smoke because.

Americans got fire-up.

Wehrmacht got storm-camo.

PE got sprint, vet sgt.

It is to make the units different. And as I see it is the smoke half the thing of the mandos.

[Baine]

Although i can understand that it seems a tad overpowered that they can't be targeted unlike airbornes and rangers with fire up, you need to consider that they die pretty fast, especially in close quarter against even enemies (assault pg, kch). So they need this little magic to get the first strike.

[Sharpshooter824]

Commandos are high damage, low survivability..smoke is necessary

[Dragon2008]

They already cost 350 manpower 165 munitions, give them a break Salan!  

So?

Commando's r the most powerful unit in the mod. Im not saying they are OP but can slaughter any unit apart from tanks and armoured cars.

I think they r the only unit that doesnt have a downside for using there ability.

Storms move slow in cloak.
Ranger/Airborne slow down after fireup runs out.

It seems again that the only people who don't want the commando changing is the people that spam and use them alot.

EDIT: Also Salan isnt saying remove smoke but to make it so they don't go invisible for 6 seconds even if they arnt in the smoke.

[VictorTarget]

Frankly, I would rather see a price decrease and superninjasmoke disappear.  Yes, they're expensive.  But it really seems way out of whack the way it is now.  And it would make them more real and reasonable (and able to be supported, because you get more troops if they're cheaper!)

[Sharpshooter824]

I run 2 squads of mandos on my mando account and hardly ever use them, they are more as a backup emergency unit.. I prefer to run about 10 tommy squads

if somebody spammed them they'd be rather foolish tbh, as AT also costs munitions

[Mukip]

Commandos are far from the most powerful unit in the mod.  They are helpless against any kind of vehicle, do no appreciable damage at medium to long range and drop to any kind of sustained focus fire.  They are expensive and have terrible accuracy when moving.   They are purely anti-infantry and unlike a certain other sort of elite infantry they can actually be hit.  They require good micro and timing to be effective if you aren't playing against a vegetable.

BTW I don't even play Commando anymore and when I did I fielded 2 mando squads since the price increase so cut the snide remarks.  Who the hell spams Commandos nowadays?

[LuAn]

Voted yes for various reasons already stated by other people.

[Two]

shit i voted no but i ment yes

[Rocksitter]

 Give them smoke but they should take damage .
 What would this do to assault grenades if they are not invisible anymore would you be able to throw them at the commandos or would smoke still make you lose the ability?

[Duckordie]

Commando need smoke, but... Hmmm...

How about making it like they are inv as long they are in the smoke? Or for a shorter time?

[spinn72]

hey, when you pay 350 manpower and 165 munitions for these guys, you deserve to at least get smoke that makes you invisible!

KCH with oak leaves cost 360/130, or even falls with 250/120 (and auto ambush ability).  So its quite balanced id say.

[Dragon2008]

hey, when you pay 350 manpower and 165 munitions for these guys, you deserve to at least get smoke that makes you invisible!

KCH with oak leaves cost 360/130, or even falls with 250/120 (and auto ambush ability).  So its quite balanced id say.

You av to remember the difference between each unit though.

KCH:

Size: 3 man squad (Without Oak Leaves)
Cost: 320/110
Cost per man: 106.6/36.6

Don't get no free ability. Weapons best for mid range combat and not getting too close.

Falls:

Size: 4 man squad (With Auto Camo)
Cost: 250/120
Cost per man: 62.5/30
 
Has Ambush camo but has to be in cover and not moving. Weapons best used for behind cover and not assualting.

Mandos:

Size: 6 man squad (With smoke)
Cost: 350/165
Cost per man: 58.3/27.5

Gets smoke which makes them invisible for 6 seconds even when not inside smoke and has no draw backs from using it. Weapons best used for assaulting and getting close to the enemy.

Overall commandos cost least per man and is more cost effective than KCH and Falls.

[SaintPauli]

I don’t think they should go all out ninja invisible. Let the ability break suppression and pop smoke similar to mortar smoke giving them less suppression and incoming accuracy. This way it can still be used as a defensive tool (maybe give them an extra ability that allows them to throw the smoke grenade like a normal grenade)