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[Jinker]

Volks with MP40s. Vet 3. Usually, used as assault infantry, these things are OK (They cannot hit ANYTHING while they are moving). I've seen these things get suppressed in ridiculously short amounts of time lately. Any silent nerf to them or something? 2 co-axle guns suppressing, then pinning them? .2 seconds into a US machine gun burst, pinned? Just bad luck, or has anyone else noticed this shit?

[CafeMilani]

yes i think ami HMG supp has been buffed

[Sharpshooter824]

Welcome to the world of what a Rifleman experiences..

[salan]

I have no knowledge of a suppression buff to allies... hmm

[Armormave]

Uh, why are u rushing into a HMG burst anyway with infantry?  Probably because it was so weak in the past you knew you WOULDN'T get pinned. 

[Smokaz]

Volk mp40s suck, even if I could vetwhore my trusty recrewing volks to vet 3 I wouldnt buy this expensive upgrade on them which basically fails against anything. At best it can help protect the flanks of a mg.

[spinn72]

Let me tell it to you simply:

They're still Volksgrenadiers. 

Vet3 doesnt reduce supression or anything and MP40s while an upgrade are pretty bad.

If you want assault infantry, Get Storms with Mp44s or KCH.

[Tymathee]

if you're on negative cover, there's a 1.5 suppression that most burst guns get.

Assault ability just makes you harder to hit, it doesn't make you get lowered suppression, and why you're running straight at an hmg is beyond me.

[jackmccrack]

Suppression is an AOE debuff rather than a hit-or-miss thing like damage.

[Jazlizard]

Geez people he didn't say he was rushing them headlong into HMGs expecting them to just PWN, he's just saying they are pinned extremely quickly. Quit trying to use the lrn2ply n00b logic to make yourself look cool, it's just dumb.

On topic: As someone said earlier, they are still volks, and vet doesn't give them any anti-suppression benefits.

[sgMisten]

Are you sure it was an american 0.30 cal HMG, or a british vickers MG using its insta-pin ability?

[Bubz]

What do you mean by "pinned extremely quick" ?

[Mysthalin]

I have noticed that volks SOMETIMES get instantly pinned, as in bug-like.

2 seconds at long range behind heavy cover and they got PINNED by a non-SF BAR squad, that kind of retardation.

Though the last time I saw it was back in 003...

[Jinker]

Once again, cooler heads prevail. As Jaz figured out, I wasn't assaulting a hmg with infantry..... what seems more foolish is the amount of people willing to post un-helpfully and accuse me of doing so.

By extremely quickly, I mean I saw the mg, started going away from it, heard it start shooting, and was pinned. so, around 1 second, if not less. Oh, and riflemen don't die to mg42 fire as fast as axis infantry die from .30 cal fire... I'm also quite sure I was suppressed (not pinned) by two or three brit officers the other day. needless to say, we all had a good laugh at that.

I disagree that they suck, Smokaz, you just have to know how to use them. I always keep 2 of them together, and have run off blobs of elite infantry whores on many occasions. Once they are vet3, they are also quite useful as diversions, seeing as some allied players see the big black cross above them, and proceed to target them with everything they have, allowing my teammates to flank them or whatever while they aren't paying attention.

Perhaps their medium range accuracy needs looking into a little, and their suppression. I hate chasing squads around half the map, firing the whole time, and not hitting anything. Would be nice not to lose the entire squad because they get pinned so quickly.

[Mysthalin]

They NORMALLY don't get pinned or suppressed all that quickly...

Just, as I have pointed out, volks sometimes bug out to get instantly pinned at max range behind heavy cover(or suppressed by brit officer fire).

[Bubz]

If it's a bug it needs to be fixed, but they're suppression taken doesn't need to be buffed.

[Smokaz]

Are you 100% sure that it was a 30 cal? Cause the vickers 30. something name i cant remember supresses instantly and pins in a few bursts regardless of cover when it's winbutton is activated, and possibly there's stuff in some of the british doctirines that might buff this supression or abilities affecting units that increase received supression.

You'd really have to post a replay if something out of the ordinary happens like the original post implies, right now the premise of the thread is the factual equivalent of a fake UFO picture or some guy saying he saw Elvis inside his refrigerator.

As for the viability of mp40 volks, thats offtopic from what I see in the OP so I apologize for that.

[Illegal_Carrot]

You'd really have to post a replay if something out of the ordinary happens like the original post implies, right now the premise of the thread is the factual equivalent of a fake UFO picture or some guy saying he saw Elvis inside his refrigerator.

I'm pretty sure sure (though not 100% positive) that he's talking about a 3v3 we had a little while back.
Yes, his Volks were sometimes getting suppressed instantly by my .30, or my Sherman's coaxial. It made for some easy kills.

[AmPM]

Was that the only thing shooting at them?

[crimsonrabbit]

I would just use them for recrew and nothing else.