stupid question about spawn buffs

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[CrazyWR]

what are the effects for units just coming onto the field?

[gamesguy2]

50% reload/cooldown, 2x accuracy.

[CrazyWR]

thanks.  Looked for it, but couldn't find it listed anywhere.

[Smokaz]

Spawnbuff should be removed after 5 minutes, Ive never seen it fullfill its original intention in a long time. Its now used to overpower bigger compositions of backcappers (gay) and to save artillery pieces (gay).

[CrazyWR]

define original intention?  When I have a panther wandering around outside my spawn, I think that qualifies, no?

[Smokaz]

From what I've read earlier the spawn buff was intended to stop people from just CALLIOPING or artying units just as they came out of spawn when they are vulnerable because of clumping and the way they arrive.

That said it would be interesting to hear the Devs comment on what the intention of the current spawn buff is right now. Cause the offensive bonuses are completely redundant in terms of arty protection, and offensive bonuses granted can be abused on maps with roads where spawn buff vehicles reach the middle of the map before it stops effecting them. After five or say ten minutes its your own fault if you have been pushed back to spawn, or what?

[gamesguy2]

IMO invulnerable units is enough of a buff.  I say remove the offensive buffs but keep the invulnerability after 5 minutes.

[Akranadas]

Its to stop people building mines, blocking off spawn points and placing their entire force outside the enemies spawn.

[NightRain]

It is map related usually.

Sometimes when you go too close to enemy spawn there is a direct road leading off to your 'defence line'. They will simply charge but the spawn buff goes off after few seconds of deployment.
If you wander too close to enemy spawn and they spawn units it was your own fault to see what they have in the spawn :/

[sgMisten]

The only major issue I can see with this, other than small maps, is that it allows mobile artillery pieces to escape too easily, which is often the main reason why a non-spawn camping player would want to get that close to the spawn point.

Put a retreat delay timer on retreat. The unit can still defend itself if it's a tank, but it can't instanteneously teleport to safety until 10 seconds is past.

Couple this with spawn buff immunity but no extra firepower and this should be good.

[Mysthalin]

*pop retreat after you're out of the spawn area with mobile artilery piece*
*Keep the mobile arty within 1 LOS of the retreat point while not using it, to not retreat it accidentally, but also to keep it safe*
*See that you may lose the arty piece*
*Run to spawn*
*Instantly retreat*
*Enjoy reinforcements*

[Akranadas]

Why is the need to kill something such a goal for you players, by forcing its removal from the battlefield; haven't you achieved the same goal in the end?

[Osprey]

That said it would be interesting to hear the Devs comment on what the intention of the current spawn buff is right now.

Stops you lining up AT guns and MGs right outside an enemy spawn for one. Face it man, the suggestion that spawn buffs should be removed is just a bit silly when you think about it. Get rid of them, and you know you'll get spawn camping again. Just because you can't see all the effects, doesn't mean it's not doing the job it is supposed to (I cite the ozone layer as an example of that).

[Armfelt]

Think it is almost perfectly well as it is. Ok there are some cons but it would just be lame if everyone would spawn camp, There shouldn´t even be a border on the map, but it is a game, so there have to be some rules.

Ok, it would have been shorter matches with spawn camp, but it would have been less fun.

[Akranadas]

I remember playing without spawn protection and anti-spawn camping artillery. It was bascially a 3 minute rush to mine up your opponents spawn, then build a ring of tank traps around it. And there was nothing you could do to stop them.

[Sixpack]

The only major issue I can see with this, other than small maps, is that it allows mobile artillery pieces to escape too easily, which is often the main reason why a non-spawn camping player would want to get that close to the spawn point.

Put a retreat delay timer on retreat. The unit can still defend itself if it's a tank, but it can't instanteneously teleport to safety until 10 seconds is past.

Couple this with spawn buff immunity but no extra firepower and this should be good.

I do not support this idea.

[Unkn0wn]

Spawn buffs only provide immunity to weapon damage (not crushing) AFAIK, there's no offensive buff.

[CafeMilani]

i cant agree with you on that unknown. i fielded 2 rifles today and there was a vet2 volks squad which almost died in less than 3 seconds.. (didnt hunt the last man..)

[Unkn0wn]

A single volks squad will get ripped apart by 2 rifle squads from up close pretty fast.

[puddin]

I had 3 at guns, 2 shermans and 2 MGs camping a spawn today....  Its still needed.

Why?

Well on the off chance back cappign is really a big a problem as many of you complain about... Notably Smokaz...  Then why complain if the spawn buff helps with the back cappign problem? 

Also, if they have to much, i can rush some light vehicles out to kill the at guns and decrew the idiot for being so close. 

If peopel get to close, its their fault, Don;t camp the sapwn, be havvy  with 80% of the map, not 100% thats impossible to come back from.