bristiler
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« on: September 06, 2009, 08:06:34 pm » |
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I always said they were terrible and made companies unoriginal but......the current system is to say the least getting a little annoying. At first I LOLED and abused it making all the funny stuff I could think of but now that I have settled down and am starting to try and play its rather annoying playing some of the companies out there. So I ask, can we get some hard caps back??? Or even a hint as to if they are coming back or something similar will bew instated or or or....
I think im done ranting soooooo KthxBai
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Nevyen
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2009, 08:19:03 pm » |
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Can i just get this right, after all the complaining and vitriol thrown at us about the original system, and then the time and thought we put into the new system you want us to revert?  ? umm.............. |
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| CrazyWR
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2009, 08:21:10 pm » |
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I disagree with the OP.
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1. New tactics? it's like JAWS, first one in the water dies
RCA-land where shells fall like raindrops and the Captain is an invincible god
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shockcoil
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2009, 08:29:36 pm » |
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Hard caps are shit, it's like acknowledging there is an imbalance but being too lazy to fix it properly.
Also for the record I think the new system is still awesome, it just needs some values tweaked. People need to learn to stop blaming 'gimmicks', its becoming like the 'blob' excuse
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| WinIsUP
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2009, 10:08:39 pm » |
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I agree, gimmicks as people like to call them are just highly specialized companies with distinct weaknesses.
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| bristiler
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2009, 10:15:28 pm » |
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did I say I wanted the ld system back? if thats how I came across then no thats not what I meant. I just feel that there are certain units that shouldnt be allowed to go omg I haz 72 of them. My definition of Gimmicks- An exessive exploitation of strtegy that is nigh impossible to counter with a balanced company. Yes gimmicks are getting to be a pain. I was hoping everyone would grow tired of the "cool" ideas they were comng up with and just use regular companies but it doesnt appear that anyone is. gimmicks- t17-8 of them 4-snipers (yes puddin) super tanks shocks galor (thank god its being fixed, and I approve 1bagillion% with the change) clown cars-which are now considered normal? just masses of units that a decently rounded company cannot deal with because it has the ability to counter its own hard counters. hmmmmmm this seems to come off as axis fanboyish so ummmmmmmmmmm. more- double mining the whole map goliaths galor 2(kt/t/jgd)-note this isnt as gimmicky because it appears to drain all fuel (wouldnt know havent attempted it myself) Thesse types of companys really screw up 2v2s where the number of players to morph companys is low. |
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« Last Edit: September 06, 2009, 10:21:16 pm by bristiler »
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2009, 10:27:20 pm » |
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Gotta adjust to the meta-game. Adjust your "balanced" company and make it more gimmick-resistant. Why try to use fail balanced companies against companies you know are going to beat you if you can change your company a bit and have a better chance vs the "gimmick"?
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| bristiler
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2009, 10:32:12 pm » |
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because the gimmicks go all different ways thats the point of trying to have a balanced one is so you can fend off whatever is thrown at you.....you are pretty much suggesting I make an AI gimmick company and an AI gimmick company
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| WinIsUP
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2009, 10:33:08 pm » |
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my gimmick of PE SE....which focuses on area denial seems to >> most other gimmicks that dont involve loads of armour.
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| fallensoldier7
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2009, 10:40:43 pm » |
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I didn't say trash your whole company. I said adjust.
Failing against light vehicle spam? See how many paks, PIVs, and shreks you have. Maybe you could use another pak, or maybe you need more shreks. These things are small adjustments. If you make adjustments and you are still getting absolutely raped by light vehicle spam then it might be a user error, or your original company make up wasn't very good.
Edit: In that case, you would have to trash your company and maybe make something based around your vetted units.
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| bristiler
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2009, 10:43:36 pm » |
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the problem is once you face lv spam then next game u face the total opposite..this was just a rant anyway I dont expect to see any change
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| fallensoldier7
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2009, 10:46:14 pm » |
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Dude if you add 1 pak to your army and take away 1 shrek, that won't hurt your overall combat effectiveness. Even if you face AB spam the game after you add a pak to your army, that 1 pak shouldn't be the game changer.
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| anthony210
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2009, 11:23:16 pm » |
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I agree, gimmicks as people like to call them are just highly specialized companies with distinct weaknesses.
The problem with gimmick companies is you have to design a company to play them. Since we are only allowed to use 1 company we cant make a company to specifically play 1 against 1 doctrine or 1 type of highly specialized company. This is why they become so annoying... Not to mention you dont know if your going to face such a specialized company in the first place unless you know the player your facing, and even then you never really know. Its a tough issue to address really, even with multiple companies it is annoying. I am for hard caps as I dont think people should be allowed to make a company full of one unit type. Its unrealistic and unbalanced. I only believe hard caps should be used for special and support units though. |
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| CrazyWR
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2009, 11:29:53 pm » |
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Give me an example of a gimmick company and why it is uncounterable, besides a double heavy company in a 2v2...
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 12:07:19 am » |
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Oy, this is what happens when puddin comes back  . At any rate, the new system is quite good, better than before, anyway, just needs adjustements. I mean, seriously, there's been only ONE patch to the system, and you're allready dooms-daying it. Just let them tweak it, adapt till then. Make your own uncounterable gimmick  . Honestly, I prefer themed companies over "balanced" bland ones. |
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2009, 12:57:05 am » |
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hardcap 1 on all heavy tanks. everything else is fine..
we cant change the system every 2 months because new system= new balancing
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Tymathee
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2009, 12:59:40 am » |
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well the great thing about the new system is if something seems OP, they can either change the price, the value of the unit into the pool, or both. So maybe we dont have hard-caps, maybe say a King Tiger takes up 10 or something like that. I like the new system, much much more freedom to do what i want.
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"I want proof!"
"I have proof!"
"Whatever, I'm still right"
Dafuq man, don't ask for proof if you'll refuse it if it's not in your favor, logic fallacy for the bloody win.
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2009, 03:13:12 am » |
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Snipers and big heavy tanks (KT, Jagd) will likely be getting hardcapped. We'd rather avoid hardcaps to be honest but for some units it's just necessary.
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2009, 03:48:31 am » |
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what about tigers and pershings? isnt a double tiger or triple pershing company a bit taff?
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Demon767
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2009, 04:58:23 am » |
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i run a normal company and i have no problem with gimmicks, maybe u need to l2p?
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