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[GeneralGlacko]

I thought you can't repurchase reward units?

Well I was one of the smart ones and kept mine safe till now

[Groundfire]

I got one for each faction

50mm ATHT, Airborne Riflemen, PzIV, Staghound

50mmATHT- Pop for cost, the best mobile ATG in the game. Combined with doctrine bonuses, and at like 4 pop each from last i checked, get 2 on the field and neuter allied armor one at a time.

Airbourn Riflemen- Power and versetility of the rifleman with none of the drawbacks for a reasonable price. Raid assault+ Bars+ Airbourn armor makes these things a beast.

PzIV- Best generic mid tank in the game. Skirts give survivability, and top MG is boss. Attack move with one of these and you get 20-30 kills in a game.

(Brit) Staghound- On top of its super armored car health, it's 50. cal MG is bugged and does like 4x the normal dmg of a top mounted MG. Different gun from T17 allows it to take on heavier armor than the T17 can take on, and faster. These will mess PE armies up fo sho

[VERTIGGO]

I'd have to say a p4 because it can take on any allied tank 1v1 other than a firefly or pershing and it's really good vs infantry and doesn't cost that much over a Sherman.

Basically, look at all the units that are spammed the most and those are you tops.

storms, ostwinds, assault grens, puma's (both) stags (both) p4's, m8's

Because 300 manpower and 330 munitions is dirt cheap for a tank buster that is a complete Vegas gamble. It's not necessarily cost effectiveness, but often basic necessity that determines whether [more than 2] are used.

...And puddin is right. Since when did ostwinds or pumas get any kind of scary reputation?

[VERTIGGO]

BTW there is a reason I don't use P4s anymore. Like storms, they're a complete gamble, and their job is better done by plenty of specialized units. As soon as a 57mm shows up (and when doesn't the allied team have 2-3) the P4 is practically helpless. They may be resistant to amateur rangers, but they attract every other form of AT fire like a friggin' black hole.

[lionel23]

These are my picks, sorted by faction:

US:
1st Place - Airborne with RRs (Excellent AT Infantry with long range, able to effectively deal with Axis armor
2nd Place - Vetted M18 Hellcat (Range bonus is a huge plus, same price as an M10 but isn't 'blind')
3rd Place - T17

British:
1st Place - Firefly (only decent, basic AT tank for Allies)
2nd Place - Cromwell Command Tank (for 2 Pop, low price... it's basically a crushing Cromwell on the cheap!)
3rd Place - Staghound

PE:
1st Place - Jadg (fast, strong, hits very hard...)
2nd Place - Infantry HT (clown car of death!)
3rd Place - Flame Assault Grens (in said clowncar, they insta rape units while the HT bumps say rangers, preventing them from firing back.)

Wehr:
1st Place - P4 (able to solo any allied tank, even Sherman upgun; cannot solo of course a pershing)
2nd Place - Grenadiers with LMG (can we say rape Allies?  Especially with Zeal, a single or two man squad can easily repel 4 SMG ranger squads with incredible ferocity, even if the rangers are in cover and the grens are vet 3 in negative cover while popping medkits! XD)
3rd Place - Neb (massive suppression and decent damage and incredible burn; even if you're not in the immediate area, your men will either get suppressed/pinned instantly or 'pause' as they try to move)

[BigDick]

1st Place - P4 (able to solo any allied tank, even Sherman upgun; cannot solo of course a pershing)

from what are u dreaming at night dude?

the upgun increase penetration of sherman from 0.59 to 1.1
p4 has 0.62 against a sherman

upgunned sherman beats P4 with an avarage of 40-50% health left

if u see with ur p4 an upgunned sherman run

[lionel23]

I'm not the only one in this thread who feels that the P4 is a much superior tank without ammo investment (Tymathee's comment on that in this, plus several allied players I play with a lot also feel the same way, but they'll have to speak on their own behalf in this thread), and that the sherman even with it still is a poor tank.  Most fights the Sherman barely wins or is still killed, so I have a hard time justifying the upgun unless that allied company is swimming in ammo.

Yeah, it does gets increased penetration, and I've still seen its shells deflect off P4 armor, not to mention it shoots slower with the upgun, and does no extra damage either with it.

I've used it plenty of times, and it really shines only if you massively out-number axis armor for it to really win a 1-1 fight (like sherman of course not suck if you got 3 shermans to a single P4).

As you notice from this thread, the P4 easily pays for itself, while the Sherman usually doesn't unless it's the only dominant thing on the field (axis only got volks, of course a sherman is going to own).  Give me a P4 anyday over a Sherman.

[anthony210]

I agree the P4 is a better tank than the Sherman.  Though the upgun sherman will usually beat a P4 unless it has HEAT rounds or is vetted more than the sherman.

[BigDick]

I'm not the only one in this thread who feels that the P4 is a much superior tank without ammo investment (Tymathee's comment on that in this, plus several allied players I play with a lot also feel the same way, but they'll have to speak on their own behalf in this thread),

a P4 without skirts (mun investment) is completely raped by RRs and Piats
a sherman without upgun is much better against infantry (better splash, fights 4 men not 6 men squads) than a P4 without skirts
 
i would even go so far and say that a good microed non upgunned sherman is a hard counter to shrek grens

and that the sherman even with it still is a poor tank.  Most fights the Sherman barely wins or is still killed, so I have a hard time justifying the upgun unless that allied company is swimming in ammo.

that is just wrong man a upgunned sherman pwns a P4 it can loose but u have to be very very unlucky since everything is a diceroll weighted by modifiers like penetration...

and my infantry company has 4 shermans all upguns (because there is no reason why not getting a upgunn for 60 mun that does still okish against infantry and wins 99% easily against P4s) and 2 M10

[Draken]

Stop derailing this thread big dick.

[Tymathee]

I agree the P4 is a better tank than the Sherman.  Though the upgun sherman will usually beat a P4 unless it has HEAT rounds or is vetted more than the sherman.

The pure effectiveness of p4's is shown by the aggressiveness that a player shows even when a sherman has an upgun. I've poited out the math b4 that a p4 gets 10% less dmg with skirts vs a sherman , coupled with the fact that the upgun has a longer reload than the p4, a p4 can easily win that battle. Now, if you micro the hell out of the sherman and play stick an dmove yea you can win cuz you're always going to penetrate but that lower damage will catch up with you. Test it, take a vet 0 skirted p4 and a vet 0 sherman with upgun 1 v1 both firing at each other, no one moving and watch who wins. The sherman is the most support depended medium tank in the game because without any support, it can't take on even a stug 1v1.

[NightRain]

Very well, A well Microed King Tiger can easily win a game for some.

Cost effective much when everyone tosses all they can to kill it? 5 ATGs 7 tanks and few light vehicles (jeeps that try to block it and Staghounds that try to stun or otherwise tease it) and then the massive ammount of infantry.

If it survives, I think it already did its job very well