At the 11th Hour, on the 11th day, Of the 11th month, of 1918

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[brn4meplz]

After observing my Remembrance day traditions(As it's know in Canada[Armistice day, Veterans day, Anzac day)

I figured I'd jump on here and remind you guys to take a moment if you havn't done so already. Why not with a game like CoH as the engine for this Mod. I know theres probably more then a handfull of us who have military experience or service in our backgrounds so you probably take more then a moment on a regular basis to reminisce.

I'm not familiar with other Nations practices of Remembrance but in Canada we wear a Poppy(Found in abundance in the fields of Normandy)


"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them."

The following is the Military dead for each nation during the Great war 1914-18:

Australia 61,928
Canada 66,148
India 74,187
New Zealand 18,050
South Africa 9,463
United Kingdom 885,138
Belgium 58,637
France 1,397,800
Greece 26,000
Italy 651,000
Japan 415
Russia 1,811,000
United States 116,708
Austria 1,100,000
Germany 2,050,897
Ottomans(Turkey) 771,844


What, if anything did you guys do? Or do you do?

[Hicks359]

I went to a rememberance service last Sunday.

That, and i wear my Poppy with pride.

Those men and women of WW1 and of WW2, and of any other war in history, will be remembered.

[Malevolence]

11th hour.

One of my great uncles served in the US Army in the Great War. He came back rather shellshocked and quiet, or so I'm told, and enjoyed sitting quietly with a cat or two for company.

The United States may have suffered less, but its role was no less important than any of the other combatants, it should be remembered. Without our men and materiel it's quite likely that the German offensives of 1918 would have succeeded spelling... uh... slightly redrawn boundaries and possibly big reparations for the allied powers as they would've been defeated.

[Mukip]

My grandfather got run over by a P4 while defending the Road to Carentan.  He will be remembered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVlE1_nFdfw

[NightRain]

My mother's side of grandfather sat behind artillery piece when he was 16-18 in the Continuation of War. My other one, from my father's side (currently dead, died few months ago) fought against Germans in Lapland war.

Without German Air support and Stukas, Finland would've been overrun by Russian armored force in Tali-Ihantala.

[Demon767]

---Killer344: Racist stuff removed, don't even bother posting something like that in this thread again.

Australia- Population 5 million
Total Embarkation 331,781
Casualties 215,585
64.98% of enlisted died

http://www.youtube.com/v/MDHo7TaRnCA&hl=en&fs=1&

[brn4meplz]

Without getting into to many details Mal, The war would have been won by the allies regardless of American involvement(Much the same as the Russians would have won World war 2 even without a western front) It just would have taken longer. I don't want to sound all nationistic here but the Canadian Army in the 1st world war was the most combat efficient. Defensive lines were breached in vital areas and there is no way the German army would have been able to reconstitue the front and their losses(and make the new positions permanent enough) So the sacrifice and involvement is much appreciated, i don't want to detract from the cost in blood. (although the french gave alot during the war their population was pretty much drained of the will to fight so at least a disaster was averted there)


American involvement in the 2nd world war definitely made a Western front possible don;t get me wrong. It also shaped the modern world and is the event that let the US rise as the worlds leading Empire(after the fall of the USSR in '91) So all the credit to them.

[Draken]

+1 brn

western front was opened mainly because allies didn't want soviets to cap whole Europe, which would create US main target after WW2. US politicy is to avoid fight in their home that's why they fight in iraq, and other countries, it's always better to not fight on your territory, you don't really care what is on the ground if that's not your homeland.

[Groundfire]

---Killer344: Racist stuff removed, don't even bother posting something like that in this thread again.

Australia- Population 5 million
Total Embarkation 331,781
Casualties 215,585
64.98% of enlisted died

http://www.youtube.com/v/MDHo7TaRnCA&hl=en&fs=1&

your video says that it was 64% killed and wounded, and of that, only 18% were killed.

Also, id kindly like to point out that the war was not only in Europe.
Japan had to be dealt with as well.

My Grandpa served on the U.S.S Missouri during WW2 and my Great Gpa was killed in france 1918 by heavy shelling.

They got my respect, lets try and keep from bitching about "who did more during the war"

[Demon767]

64,000 died

150,000 wounded

Stfu i would like to ask Mal's post removed aswell as he is playing down the lives lost insignificant as to americans involvement.

i wont bloody stand idley be when some jerk plays down the lives lost by other countries were irrelevant because they won the war for us

[BradAnderson]

I'm not familiar with other Nations practices of Remembrance but in Canada we wear a Poppy(Found in abundance in the fields of Normandy)

The poppy was found in the fields of Flanders, It was used because in the desolate land fought over, the only thing that grew was the poppys as the seeds can remain in the ground for years untill germinated by disturbed soil.

Also to say that without you Americans joining us in the war we would have lost, well thats shit we would have won, just at a much greater cost. Mind you, if it wasn't for that we probabally would have had a second war much sooner and France would still be paying for the reparations due to the League of Nations.

[o4b1]

stfu i would like to ask Mal's post removed aswell as he is playing down the lives lost insignificant as to americans involvement.

i wont bloody stand idley be when some jerk plays down the lives lost by other countries were irrelevant because they won the war for us

Hes not doing doubting the sacrifice of any countries armed forces; hes just saying that without the Americans it would have been a very different conflict (which is a true statement). Also, it is necessary to note that the amount that a country suffers is not necessarily in direct correlation with how much they added to the war effort.

[Piotrskivich]

I was sitting around at home, (It was my birthday)

[Mgallun74]

i was at local VA Hospital and Cemtary... somber day, saw plenty of ww1 heros buried there, good bless them all..

and so many Flags!

[IIPraeToriaNII]

fuck war and its fake ass patriotic, nationalistic, propagandized, defending the country bull shit...
your terrorist vs my freedom fighter... or... eeny meeny miny defend the empire, fatherland, motherland, homeland by attacking such n such...
or defending my freedoms from a country who has no possibility of even threatening it from 6000 miles away? what a joke

war is for dumbasses...

this about sums it up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rlqjxst6xU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY&feature=related

"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
"This war is not as in the past; whoever occupies a territory also imposes on it his own social system,
everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach."
"I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how."
"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?"
"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

and yet the war drums keep beating to the inevitable carnage of WW3...

[overfreeze222]

My great grandfather was shot down in Africa in 1943 i think, possibly 1942. was wounded in the cockpit, than died in hospital 2 days after.

And Prae, while i may be misinformed, WW3 may aswell be already happening and has been for quite some time. Most of the world is in the fight against terrorism in the middle east.

[Groundfire]

And Prae, while i may be misinformed, WW3 may aswell be already happening and has been for quite some time. Most of the world is in the fight against terrorism in the middle east.

Well, meh, it's more like just U.S... (hehe)

And from what i understand, we kinda just want some oil.

Nothing much I can really do about it, blame the government, cause I kinda just live in the place.

[CrazyWR]

not the time or place to get into this discussion...focus on the original topic please guys.

[Groundfire]

Indeed

[Malevolence]

Without getting into to many details Mal, The war would have been won by the allies regardless of American involvement(Much the same as the Russians would have won World war 2 even without a western front) It just would have taken longer.

England had ten days of food left when the Germans finally stopped unrestricted U-boat warfare from US pressure the first time. The second time they were below 20 when the US convoys finally lightened the strain.

I don't want to sound all nationistic here but the Canadian Army in the 1st world war was the most combat efficient.

It also would've had no food. I don't want to sound all pessimistic here but you kind of can't fight without food.

Defensive lines were breached in vital areas and there is no way the German army would have been able to reconstitue the front and their losses(and make the new positions permanent enough) So the sacrifice and involvement is much appreciated, i don't want to detract from the cost in blood. (although the french gave alot during the war their population was pretty much drained of the will to fight so at least a disaster was averted there)

Their defensive lines were broken *after* the US became involved. There were minor victories along the front (at high cost) throughout the war, don't get me wrong, but the front in the West saw momentum only in the years 1914 and 1918, and neither of them were terribly because of Canada and were mostly the fault of the Germans. The Canadians did execute several assaults the "right" way and succeed in WW1, but that's not really what won the war. What won the war was Germany messing up above all else.

The entire history of WW1 is basically a big German messup. If they had managed to redirect all of their troops Eastward they may have won the war, if they had instead direct ENOUGH troops Westward they may have won the war, if they hadn't caved to US pressure at a precarious time their U-boats may have won the war, and then finally the Spring Offensive in 1918 DEFINITELY would have won the war if it didn't bog itself down with looting and drag the United States into the war with U-boats simultaneously. The Germans were the central player in that war militarily and the entire war revolved around their actions. It just so happened that the United States' timing was good when it came to those actions. The United States may not have done a lot of work on the ground but everything we did was important - saving Britain from starvation, supplying a vast majority of the war goods to the allies, and finally playing a key role in preventing the fall of Paris and on the counteroffensive against the broken German armies.


And where am I playing shit down as lives lost Demon? You think I don't care about the millions of fucking people who died? You think I have no idea what that is? That it's numbers on a god damn page? I know many people in my family or otherwise who have been sent out there with that possibility of ultimate sacrifice and while I've been lucky that nobody in my family has died yet, they were certainly there and that was certainly a possibility. World War One was a stupid, imperialist war and the cost in lives was disproportionate to the objectives of the war. It was a horrible, horrible thing that was so ironic it was entirely surreal to most of those involved.


You should be the one who's ashamed of chest-beating over how much work your country did in lives lost. Sacrifice isn't glorious you idiot it's incredibly sad, especially given the outcome of what that sacrifice got us. Learn to separate what I fucking say when I say that one of my relatives was there and it was horrible from "AMERICA IS DA BEST LOLZ!"